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2005-04-01 by Phill Potter
Is there a paper compatible with the Epson 2200 that has the same archival properties as Epson's heavyweight matte, but has a cream base? I would like a paper to use for portraits that is not so cold. I notice in the archives the mention of cream based papers, but I'm not confident in their archival qualities. Maybe I've overlooked something.
2005-04-01 by Tyler Boley
You could easily do better with many of the papers discussed here than HWM. It is not archival. "Cream" is a bit subjective, I'd find a lot of samples. I'm sure others here will have suggestions. Mine would be German Etching, and the Innova soft texture. Tyler --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Phill Potter" <phillpotter@r...> wrote: > > > Is there a paper compatible with the Epson 2200 that has the same archival properties as > Epson's heavyweight matte, but has a cream base? I would like a paper to use for portraits > that is not so cold. > I notice in the archives the mention of cream based papers, but I'm not confident in their > archival qualities. Maybe I've overlooked something.
2005-04-01 by Jim Doyle
Phil, The Creamy paper that I know of that has what you want Arhival properties is The Hahnemuhle Allgretto 160 However its been discontinued.. I Have some available on my website and Its pretty cheap because its a discontined product.. Nice paper Thats for sure.. http://www.shadesofpaper.com/specials.htm Cheers Jim Doyle J. Doyle Enterprises LLC 114 Old Orchard Rd Cherry Hill, NJ 08003 856-424-8660 www.shadesofpaper.com AOL IM: Brokerup99
-----Original Message-----
From: Phill Potter [mailto:phillpotter@rogers.com]
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Subject: [Digital BW] Cream based archival paper
Is there a paper compatible with the Epson 2200 that has the same archival
properties as
Epson's heavyweight matte, but has a cream base? I would like a paper to
use for portraits
that is not so cold.
I notice in the archives the mention of cream based papers, but I'm not
confident in their
archival qualities. Maybe I've overlooked something.
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2005-04-01 by john dean
Innova is just about to release some natural surface high grade rag papers. I think this may be the way to go from now on. Look at the website www.shadesofpaper.com. Buy a sample pack and you won't be dissatisfied. Personally I've had good results with Hahnemuhle William Turner for natural surface that is textured but sharp, and Concorde Rag, a French paper sold by Legion paper co in the US. Concorde Rag has a very warm base and with warm inksets is quite beautiful and unique. I did a file yesterday with the Cone Carbon Sepia inkset on both of these papers and liked them both a lot. William Turner has better dmax and is a bit sharper but can scuff in the blacks if not sprayed. I always spray it with something, same with German Etching. Concorde Rag has a little more dot gain but resembles Platinum with warm inks. The rolls of Concorde Rag are not the same paper as the sheets and should be avoided in my opinion. I also use Premier Art Hotpress if there are not a lot of big areas of pure black. It is a very nice very sharp resolution paper but will not achieve the dmax of the Hahnemuhle papers, or the fine new media from Innova. I actually use the Premier Art more for pigment color when things need to be really photographic in appearance. It can be outstanding with the right type of file. But I may dump most of these for Innova. We will see. John
2005-04-01 by Louis Dina
Moab Entrada Natural is also another paper option. It is coated on both sides, has a good gamut, no optical brighteners, and has a nice natural warm base color. Good price too. Available from www.lexjet.com and other online vendors. Lou --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Phill Potter" <phillpotter@r...> wrote: > > > Is there a paper compatible with the Epson 2200 that has the same archival properties as > Epson's heavyweight matte, but has a cream base? I would like a paper to use for portraits > that is not so cold. > I notice in the archives the mention of cream based papers, but I'm not confident in their > archival qualities. Maybe I've overlooked something.
2005-04-01 by Diana York~Hawk Mtn Papers
We just introduced Condor Natural (no OBAs, coated both sides, 22 mil, 325 GSM, 100% cotton) and Merlin Natural (no OBAs, coated both sides, 17 mil, 275 GSM, 100% cotton). I also have Merlin Natural as a 15 mil coated one side paper. And we have Nighthawk (no OBAs, 500GSM, 40 mil 100% cotton paper). All have slightly creamy coloration (not bright white) and work very well with UC inks.
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Add me to your address book... Want a signature like this? ----- Original Message ----- From: Phill Potter To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 10:41 PM Subject: [Digital BW] Cream based archival paper Is there a paper compatible with the Epson 2200 that has the same archival properties as Epson's heavyweight matte, but has a cream base? I would like a paper to use for portraits that is not so cold. I notice in the archives the mention of cream based papers, but I'm not confident in their archival qualities. Maybe I've overlooked something. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2005-04-01 by Tyler Boley
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "john dean" <deanwork2003@y...> wrote: ... > Personally I've had good results with Hahnemuhle William Turner for natural surface > that is textured but sharp, and Concorde Rag, a French paper sold by Legion paper > co in the US. John, I agree Concorde Rag makes for lovely warm prints. I used to use iy a lot. It probably has the warmest base of the papers mentioned so far. But I would be very careful of it's use. Many testing it long ago found that the base bleached reletively quickly, and for some reason image longevity was poor with the 1st generation of quad inks. Too bad, lovely stuff. Tyler
2005-04-01 by dfaprinting
According to inkjetart, the Concord will only be sold in roll form now. It is one of the few that I would rate as "cream" colored. The Innova (fine papers!) and Hahnemuhle GE, I would consider natural white, Photo Rag as a "bright" whit, same for the Turner. For a similar texture to GE, Intelicoat textured fine art paper is almost an exact match. I just received my sample roll a couple of days ago, but have'nt had a chance to print on it yet. Hahnemuhle, Innova, and Intelicoat papers from Shades of Paper,ask Jim what he might suggest. Another idea would be to get the Hawk Mountain paper swatch book, and see if there is anything you like, I have that coming, along with recommended papers from Diana. Moab, and Red River also have a paper or two that you might like. And for one more... Try Epson Water Color Radiant White.
2005-04-01 by Mike Gerra
I've read some very good, independent reviews of these papers, as well as Condor Brite. I'm interested in printing BW scenics on my Epson 1160 with MIS BW Quadtones. Am I grasping at straws hoping that you might have some profiles? Thanks. --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Diana York~Hawk Mtn Papers" <diana@h...> wrote: > We just introduced Condor Natural (no OBAs, coated both sides, 22 mil, 325 GSM, 100% cotton) and Merlin Natural (no OBAs, coated both sides, 17 mil, 275 GSM, 100% cotton). I also have Merlin Natural as a 15 mil coated one side paper. And we have Nighthawk (no OBAs, 500GSM, 40 mil 100% cotton paper). All have slightly creamy coloration (not bright white) and work very well with UC inks. > We Soar Above The Rest > > Diana York Hawk Mountain Papers > 314 Ziegler Rd > Leesport PA 19533 > diana@h... > IM: HawkMtnPapers > www.hawkmtnartpapers.com tel: > fax: 888-807-2248 > 610-926-4527 > > > > > Add me to your address book... Want a signature like this? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Phill Potter > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 10:41 PM > Subject: [Digital BW] Cream based archival paper > > Is there a paper compatible with the Epson 2200 that has the same archival properties as > Epson's heavyweight matte, but has a cream base? I would like a paper to use for portraits > that is not so cold. > I notice in the archives the mention of cream based papers, but I'm not confident in their
> archival qualities. Maybe I've overlooked something. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2005-04-01 by john dean
Tyler, That is very good to know about Concorde Rag . Wilhelm did some excelerated tests years ago with Concorde Rag and the Roland Hi Fi Jet pigment inks and reached a 150 year mark ( for what that is worth) without any spraying. I always spray my CR prints with Premier Art. But I have to tell you I don't use it much anymore because I was afraid of some rumors that I have also heard. I know Jon Cone who said he loved the look of the paper too admitted that on his north wall test it did the poorest with his pt inkset. That alone worried me. There are also other papers sold as Concorde Rag, like that roll version, that are a completely different paper than the sheets I have used. I suspect this is what Wilhelm tested for the Roland company. But it is not any warmer than Hahnemuhle. I asked Jim Doyle last week if sees an extremely stable very warm paper coming on the scene anytime soon. To me this is a weak link it what we have available to us. He said the new natural surface Innova media are going to be useful in this area of warm prints. I'd like something truely warm other than Concorde. Hope it happens. You know there is one other option which I have only done once. That is to lay down a very light warm tint of ink over the whole surface of the print. Let that dry and print on top of that. This is the kind of thing they used to do in offset printing and it works. But what a pain. John
> John, I agree Concorde Rag makes for lovely warm prints. I used to use > iy a lot. It probably has the warmest base of the papers mentioned so far. > But I would be very careful of it's use. Many testing it long ago > found that the base bleached reletively quickly, and for some reason > image longevity was poor with the 1st generation of quad inks. > Too bad, lovely stuff. > Tyler
2005-04-01 by Tyler Boley
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "john dean" <deanwork2003@y...> wrote: > > Tyler, > > That is very good to know about Concorde Rag . Wilhelm did some excelerated > tests years ago with Concorde Rag and the Roland Hi Fi Jet pigment inks and > reached a 150 year mark ( for what that is worth) without any spraying. "For what it's worth" being the operative there. He also gave Lyson quads very high marks. Real world user tests conflicted with his results for both. I too wish there was something as pretty as CR, with good longevity and performance. I suspect the warmth of CR was some sort of addative, which would account for it's bleaching. Tyler
2005-04-01 by Phill Potter
Thanks to all for the advice on cream based papers. I have some leads to follow up. Archival qualities are a very high priority. This should narrow the list down somewhat. Phill
2005-04-01 by Edwin Nazarian
I am another fan of Legion Concorde Rag. It is my favorite paper in fact. I use it with MIS UT/1160 and previously used it with Cone Piezography BW with 1160. Both made excellent prints. I must warn you about the Concorde Rag on roll however (as did another contributor). I did order it one time about 3 years ago and was very disappointed with it. The surface is not the same as the sheet! It does not take ink as well and it is not as smooth. Luckily the vendor took it back when I complained over and over that they were not the same paper. Does anyone know if this has changed? Whether the roll has improved in quality and whether it is closer to the sheet now? Also, does anyone know of a replacement for the sheet form? Have you had experience with anything similar? Edwin