Digital BW, The Print

I've been using the new clear spongeless carts on a 1280 without 
problems, however, they did require a little "tuning."  Careful 
examination showed that the label on the color cart extended just 
slightly over the filling holes, perhaps 1-2 mm.  I was concerned
that this might prevent a good seal with the very tiny plugs, and I 
knew that a poor seal would allow the ink to drain.  The solution was 
some careful work with my handy x-acto knife, carefully trimming away 
that portion of the label that extended over the hole.  Some caution 
is required to ensure you cut away all the label but neither damage 
the edge of the hole or nor damage the rest of the label.

(I hope quality control improves on these carts so I don't have to do 
this again.)

I would second what is said below.

Additionally, I found when pulling ink from 7600 carts that the standard
bottom fill adapter did not seal well.  So, for that purpose I shortened the
snout on one to 7 mm, and it worked much better.  I use that when I "prime"
the clear carts.  I'm wondering if the use of standard bottom fill adapters
might not be as effectively pulling the air out of the outlet.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Blaine Cavena [mailto:becavena@...]
> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 9:27 AM
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> Subject: [Digital BW] A tip for the new spongeless carts
> 
> 
> 
> I've been using the new clear spongeless carts on a 1280 without
> problems, however, they did require a little "tuning."  Careful
> examination showed that the label on the color cart extended just
> slightly over the filling holes, perhaps 1-2 mm.  I was concerned
> that this might prevent a good seal with the very tiny plugs, and I
> knew that a poor seal would allow the ink to drain.  The solution was
> some careful work with my handy x-acto knife, carefully trimming away
> that portion of the label that extended over the hole.  Some caution
> is required to ensure you cut away all the label but neither damage
> the edge of the hole or nor damage the rest of the label.
> 
> (I hope quality control improves on these carts so I don't have to do
> this again.)
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Hello, I have located a place that sells premium semi-matte in cut 
sheets. 17x22 inches. Kind of a weird size, but can be cut in half to 
11x17 i guess or make a 16x20, or a 12x16. Seems like thier price is 
way too low. Here is the link:

http://www.costcentral.com/proddetail/Epson_Premium/S041827/F53850/


$71.00 or 250 sheets? should be more like 71 bucks for 25 
sheets....what do you guys think? They are closed right now, so cant 
call'em


Doug M

I've never used semi matte before, have you? Does it print similar to 
enhanced matte?

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Douglas Meeuwsen 
<lipshurt@m...> wrote:
> Hello, I have located a place that sells premium semi-matte in cut 
> sheets. 17x22 inches. Kind of a weird size, but can be cut in half 
to 

> 11x17 i guess or make a 16x20, or a 12x16. Seems like thier price is 
> way too low. Here is the link:
> 
> http://www.costcentral.com/proddetail/Epson_Premium/S041827/F53850/
> 
> 
> $71.00 or 250 sheets? should be more like 71 bucks for 25 
> sheets....what do you guys think? They are closed right now, so cant 
> call'em
> 
> 
> Doug M

Never used it yet, but paul Roark does. He was nice enough to show me a 
print and let me feel the surface. Very nice. Like a darkroom print, 
and very good image and deep darks. You usually can only get it in big 
rolls. Paul has talked about it a bit on this forum in the recent past. 
Doug M
On Apr 11, 2005, at 7:43 PM, Steve wrote:

>
>  I've never used semi matte before, have you? Does it print similar to
>  enhanced matte?
>
>  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Douglas Meeuwsen
>  <lipshurt@m...> wrote:
>  > Hello, I have located a place that sells premium semi-matte in cut
>  > sheets. 17x22 inches. Kind of a weird size, but can be cut in half
>  to
>  > 11x17 i guess or make a 16x20, or a 12x16. Seems like thier price is
>  > way too low. Here is the link:
>  >
>  > http://www.costcentral.com/proddetail/Epson_Premium/S041827/F53850/
>  >
>  >
>  > $71.00 or 250 sheets? should be more like 71 bucks for 25
>  > sheets....what do you guys think? They are closed right now, so cant
>  > call'em
>  >
>  >
>  > Doug M
>
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Doug, 

Adorama's 17 x 22 PSM 25 pieces is S041827 -- the same number as
"Costcentral" -- goes for $80.  So, the price you've got seems right for a
25 piece box.

By the way, that is substantially more on a per square foot basis than the
24" rolls.  However, the roll paper is more of a hassle to work with.  I cut
small pieces from the 17 x 22 sheets.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Douglas Meeuwsen [mailto:lipshurt@...]
> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 6:10 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] epsom premium semi-matte....
> 
> 
> Hello, I have located a place that sells premium semi-matte in cut
> sheets. 17x22 inches. Kind of a weird size, but can be cut in half to
> 11x17 i guess or make a 16x20, or a 12x16. Seems like thier price is
> way too low. Here is the link:
> 
> http://www.costcentral.com/proddetail/Epson_Premium/S041827/F53850/
> 
> 
> $71.00 or 250 sheets? should be more like 71 bucks for 25
> sheets....what do you guys think? They are closed right now, so cant
> call'em
> 
> 
> Doug M
> 
> 
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Doug, the price is definitely a typo- the cost per square foot in 
roll form is about $1.60. But if we turn out to be wrong, please 
don't let on until we've all ordered some!(G)

I've used it also-it prints well, and with gloss optimizer on it, it 
gives a low-gloss sheen thats quite attractive and very close to a 
darkroom print with excellent d-max.

Steve Karafyllakis

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Douglas 
Meeuwsen <lipshurt@m...> wrote:
> Never used it yet, but paul Roark does. He was nice enough to show 
me a 
> print and let me feel the surface. Very nice. Like a darkroom 
print, 
> and very good image and deep darks. You usually can only get it in 
big 
> rolls. Paul has talked about it a bit on this forum in the recent 
past. 
> Doug M
> On Apr 11, 2005, at 7:43 PM, Steve wrote:
> 
> >
> >  I've never used semi matte before, have you? Does it print 
similar to
> >  enhanced matte?
> >
> >  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Douglas 
Meeuwsen
> >  <lipshurt@m...> wrote:
> >  > Hello, I have located a place that sells premium semi-matte 
in cut
> >  > sheets. 17x22 inches. Kind of a weird size, but can be cut in 
half
> >  to
> >  > 11x17 i guess or make a 16x20, or a 12x16. Seems like thier 
price is
> >  > way too low. Here is the link:
> >  >
> >  > 
http://www.costcentral.com/proddetail/Epson_Premium/S041827/F53850/
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > $71.00 or 250 sheets? should be more like 71 bucks for 25
> >  > sheets....what do you guys think? They are closed right now, 
so cant
> >  > call'em
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > Doug M
> >
> >
> >
> >
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OOPS that's .60 per quare foot-still too big a difference!

-- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Steven 
Karafyllakis" <steve@s...> wrote:

> 
> Doug, the price is definitely a typo- the cost per square foot in 
> roll form is about $1.60. But if we turn out to be wrong, please 
> don't let on until we've all ordered some!(G)
> 
> I've used it also-it prints well, and with gloss optimizer on it, it 
> gives a low-gloss sheen thats quite attractive and very close to a 
> darkroom print with excellent d-max.
> 
> Steve Karafyllakis
> 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

When one clicks on the "add" button on this page this comes up ---"25-SHEET 
PREMIUM SEMIMATTE PHOTO PAPER 17INX22IN".  So, it is too good to be true. 
Unless, of course, they honor their false advertising.

Barbara

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Douglas Meeuwsen" <lipshurt@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 7:10 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] epsom premium semi-matte....



Hello, I have located a place that sells premium semi-matte in cut
sheets. 17x22 inches. Kind of a weird size, but can be cut in half to
11x17 i guess or make a 16x20, or a 12x16. Seems like thier price is
way too low. Here is the link:

http://www.costcentral.com/proddetail/Epson_Premium/S041827/F53850/


$71.00 or 250 sheets? should be more like 71 bucks for 25
sheets....what do you guys think? They are closed right now, so cant
call'em


Doug M




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Hi All,

I recently bought a 25 sheet box(17"x22") of the Epson Semi-matte from
Buy.com for $68 which includes free shipping so it looks like it is
still a good deal.  Here's the link to the paper:

http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=10402453&loc=101&sp=1

I have no connection to them I just thought some one would like a
lower cost.

Richard

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> Doug, 
> 
> Adorama's 17 x 22 PSM 25 pieces is S041827 -- the same number as
> "Costcentral" -- goes for $80.  So, the price you've got seems right
for a
> 25 piece box.
> 
snip

thanks......that looks pretty good
On Apr 12, 2005, at 12:41 PM, Richard Cooke wrote:

>
>  Hi All,
>
>  I recently bought a 25 sheet box(17"x22") of the Epson Semi-matte from
>  Buy.com for $68 which includes free shipping so it looks like it is
>  still a good deal.� Here's the link to the paper:
>
> http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=10402453&loc=101&sp=1
>
>  I have no connection to them I just thought some one would like a
>  lower cost.
>
>  Richard
>
>  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
>  <paul.roark@v...> wrote:
>  > Doug,
>  >
>  > Adorama's 17 x 22 PSM 25 pieces is S041827 -- the same number as
>  > "Costcentral" -- goes for $80.� So, the price you've got seems right
>  for a
>  > 25 piece box.
>  >
>  snip
>
>
>
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Doug,

That price is high even for 25 sheets.  If you're looking for a
less-expensive alternative, the Proof Line equivalent (Semi-Matte DP) is
$91.00 for 50 sheets, and it's just as good as the Epson.


Michael J. Pach
AdventureCam Photo
719-260-6637
www.adventurecamphoto.com


Hello, I have located a place that sells premium semi-matte in cut

sheets. 17x22 inches. Kind of a weird size, but can be cut in half to

11x17 i guess or make a 16x20, or a 12x16. Seems like thier price is

way too low. Here is the link:

http://www.costcentral.com/proddetail/Epson_Premium/S041827/F53850/



$71.00 or 250 sheets? should be more like 71 bucks for 25

sheets....what do you guys think? They are closed right now, so cant

call'em



Doug M

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