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QTRgui roll print direction

2005-04-14 by Ernst Dinkla

Stephen,

A minor issue but with roll sizes if the length of the print size chosen 
is less than the width of the roll the print direction isn't showing 
correctly in the gui. The direction likes to select the longest side of 
the paper size which isn't the way the roll unrolls. That's at least so 
with the 9000 driver. I know I do not describe it very clear but this 
morning that's the best I can do.  I thought it might be solved in 2.2.1 
b  but it is still there.

The feature in itself is very nice.

Ernst

RE: [Digital BW] QTRgui roll print direction

2005-04-14 by Stephen Billard

In the next release of QTR, the direction indicator will not show when roll
paper is chosen. 

-Stephen
 www.sbillard.org/Stephen
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> 
> Stephen,
> 
> A minor issue but with roll sizes if the length of the print 
> size chosen 
> is less than the width of the roll the print direction isn't showing 
> correctly in the gui. The direction likes to select the 
> longest side of 
> the paper size which isn't the way the roll unrolls. That's 
> at least so 
> with the 9000 driver. I know I do not describe it very clear but this 
> morning that's the best I can do.  I thought it might be 
> solved in 2.2.1 
> b  but it is still there.
> 
> The feature in itself is very nice.
> 
> Ernst
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Re: [Digital BW] QTRgui roll print direction

2005-04-14 by Ernst Dinkla

Stephen Billard wrote:

>In the next release of QTR, the direction indicator will not show when roll
>paper is chosen. 
>
>-Stephen
> www.sbillard.org/Stephen
>  
>

That's like throwing away the baby with the bathwater ! (straight 
translation of the Dutch phrase)
It can't be kept for rolls too but pointing in the right direction ?


Ernst

RE: [Digital BW] QTRgui roll print direction

2005-04-14 by Stephen Billard

OK, tell me how to determine the roll paper size?

-Stephen
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> 
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> 
> Stephen Billard wrote:
> 
> >In the next release of QTR, the direction indicator will not 
> show when 
> >roll paper is chosen.
> >
> >-Stephen
> > www.sbillard.org/Stephen
> >  
> >
> 
> That's like throwing away the baby with the bathwater ! (straight 
> translation of the Dutch phrase)
> It can't be kept for rolls too but pointing in the right direction ?
> 
> 
> Ernst
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Re: [Digital BW] QTRgui roll print direction

2005-04-15 by Ernst Dinkla

Stephen Billard wrote:

>OK, tell me how to determine the roll paper size?
>
>-Stephen
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>
>  
>
Stephen,

I was afraid you would ask that :-)  

There's no way to get that information from the printer I guess and 
there are odd formats around. But if you stick to the sizes that are 
commonly used on Epsons:  44" - 1118 mm (QTRgui says 1117), 36" - 914 
mm, 24"- 609 mm, 17" - 430 mm.  When the width size set for the paper 
comes close to those numbers and media = roll then you can let the 
driver assume that the paper width falls in the width of the roll. 
QTRgui uses 3.4 mm at the sides for the 9000's margin, so a 0 -10 mm 
margin downwards for paper size that has to fit. It will still have some 
problems but I guess in 90% of the cases it will work.
The condition: Media = Roll should at least take conflicts away in sheet 
feeding.


I have not checked the way the direction arrow works with sheets but for 
speed you better use paper with its widest dimension parallel to the 
head stroke direction (if that fits the printer), at A size ratio of 
1.41x it will speed up printing with 20%. There's probably more paper 
waste though. That differs per printer.


Ernst

RE: [Digital BW] QTRgui roll print direction

2005-04-15 by Stephen Billard

That's what I thought. The arrow was to help people remember how to insert sheet
paper, so it really serves no purpose on roll feed--There is only one way to
insert the paper.


> I was afraid you would ask that :-)  
> 
> There's no way to get that information from the printer I guess and 
> there are odd formats around. 

-Stephen
 www.sbillard.org/Stephen


>

Re: [Digital BW] QTRgui roll print direction

2005-04-15 by Ernst Dinkla

Stephen Billard wrote:

>That's what I thought. The arrow was to help people remember how to insert sheet
>paper, so it really serves no purpose on roll feed--There is only one way to
>insert the paper.
>
>
>  
>
>>I was afraid you would ask that :-)  
>>
>>There's no way to get that information from the printer I guess and 
>>there are odd formats around. 
>>    
>>
>
>-Stephen
> www.sbillard.org/Stephen
>
>  
>
On the Epson driver you can select whether the image runs head first or 
feet first. And I was happy that your print direction showed which way 
it went. But as there's no choice in QTRgui than head first I will keep 
in mind that the print direction is upwards in the preview. That's my 
gripe with driver software, it is so easy to turn the image on its head 
or the print feed direction or both and no one cares that we like to see 
some analogy with what happens in real life: Paper feeding towards the 
floor and the print starting at the feet. If you could keep the paper 
feed direction in the preview from top to bottom for everything printed, 
sheets, rolls, oblong formats, whatever and turn the images in the 
preview like they will roll from the printer then it gets familiar again.

Wonder why I do not have that problem when reading maps.

Ernst

RE: [Digital BW] QTRgui roll print direction

2005-04-15 by Stephen Billard

Turning the images is beyond the capabilities of the image software I am using.
If I understand you correctly, with roll paper the direction would always point
to the top of the image?

-Stephen
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> Behalf Of Ernst Dinkla
> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 12:37 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] QTRgui roll print direction
> >
> On the Epson driver you can select whether the image runs 
> head first or 
> feet first. And I was happy that your print direction showed 
> which way 
> it went. But as there's no choice in QTRgui than head first I 
> will keep 
> in mind that the print direction is upwards in the preview. That's my 
> gripe with driver software, it is so easy to turn the image 
> on its head 
> or the print feed direction or both and no one cares that we 
> like to see 
> some analogy with what happens in real life: Paper feeding 
> towards the 
> floor and the print starting at the feet. If you could keep the paper 
> feed direction in the preview from top to bottom for 
> everything printed, 
> sheets, rolls, oblong formats, whatever and turn the images in the 
> preview like they will roll from the printer then it gets 
> familiar again.
> 
> Wonder why I do not have that problem when reading maps.
> 
> Ernst
> 
>

Re: [Digital BW] QTRgui roll print direction

2005-04-16 by Ernst Dinkla

Stephen Billard wrote:

>Turning the images is beyond the capabilities of the image software I am using.
>If I understand you correctly, with roll paper the direction would always point
>to the top of the image?
>
>-Stephen
> www.sbillard.org/Stephen
>
>  
>
If you can't turn the images for the preview and the print and you like 
to present the image in the preview with head to the top then it is 
inevitable that the print direction as represented in the preview is 
from bottom to top and the actual printing is done from top to bottom 
with the head of the image first. That's the default on most drivers 
too. I'm the mechanical type that prefers to see the print direction 
going downwards in the preview and the image upside down, I don't have 
to edit it in QTR so I don't bother that it is upside down. Nesting 
can't be done with QTRgui so recognising several different images with 
the same subject isn't needed either. All the Epson sheet printers feed 
the paper in the same way I guess.

Forget the issue. I have coped with all the drivers Wasatch RIP, 
CorelDraw, PS, Risc Os, Qimage and I get there in the end. Take the 
paper feed direction away for rolls though as it is misleading right now.

Anyone else having issues with Qimage that it goes flat when printing to 
file but works in direct printing?  Couldn't really enjoy the new 
features of print to file so far.

Ernst

Roll margins was ....QTRgui roll print direction

2005-04-22 by Ernst Dinkla

Stephen,

With the Epson 9000 I have top and left margins of 3.2 mm in QTR. 
Sometimes the left margin jumps to 14.1 mm. I guess that's actually  the 
bottom margin as I need 17,3 mm page size extra for top to bottom 
compared to the image. With the Epson driver I can get less waste on the 
bottom when I set the 9000 firmware to the minimum waste. How well this 
translates to other drivers isn't clear, the Wasatch SoftRip takes other 
margins as well.

What could be the minimum paper waste with QTR in roll printing on the 
9000 and the other printers of that generation?

Regards, Ernst

RE: [Digital BW] Roll margins was ....QTRgui roll print direction

2005-04-22 by Stephen Billard

These margin values are described by the PPD file. I believe that Roy has said
that the Pro series of printers did not have the "Minimize Margins" capability.
Guess he was wrong. 

Anyway, you could modify the PPD file. The ParamCustomPageSize lines are what
needs changing. There are two numbers after the word "Points" which are the
minimum and maximum size values. The units of these are "Points" which are 1/72
of an inch.

-Stephen
 www.sbillard.org/Stephen
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> Behalf Of Ernst Dinkla
> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 4:23 AM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Roll margins was ....QTRgui roll print direction
> 
> 
> 
> Stephen,
> 
> With the Epson 9000 I have top and left margins of 3.2 mm in QTR. 
> Sometimes the left margin jumps to 14.1 mm. I guess that's 
> actually  the 
> bottom margin as I need 17,3 mm page size extra for top to bottom 
> compared to the image. With the Epson driver I can get less 
> waste on the 
> bottom when I set the 9000 firmware to the minimum waste. How 
> well this 
> translates to other drivers isn't clear, the Wasatch SoftRip 
> takes other 
> margins as well.
> 
> What could be the minimum paper waste with QTR in roll 
> printing on the 
> 9000 and the other printers of that generation?
> 
> Regards, Ernst
> 
> 
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