Digital BW, The Print

I had been seriously considering the Eye-One Design to profile my monitor, 
as well as generate RGB profiles for my 2200 and 1160 printers with a 
variety of papers and inks.  You have given me GREAT pause.

So what DO you recommend as an entry level spectro based RGB and monitor 
profiling system?  I believe the next step up in the GMB line goes for 
about $1400 - $1500?

Any input would be greatly appreciated.

Jack Winberg

At 06:35 PM 4/17/2005, you wrote:
>From: "dfaprinting" <dfaprinting@...>
>Subject: Re: Heavy Chocolate profile for QTR?
>
>
>If you ONLY need a spectrophotometer, then you can get the Eye-one
>Design for around $750 USD from www.ecolortools.com . Let me stress
>this again, get this ONLY if you need JUST the spectro, the profiles
>generated with the extremely limited software are not good (normally
>I would use other words, but I'm trying to be polite). I don't know
>exactly what GMB was thinking when they decided to make a package
>that uses all of 45 patches to make a CMYK profile, they just come
>out looking ugly! That was tested using a printer connected to a
>properly limited/linearized RIP, applied either in the RIP or in
>Photoshop, both methods looked ugly.
>
>I haven't tested the RGB profiles, and based on the CMYK I don't
>think I ever will. I had much better results from Monaco EZcolor
>version 2 than with the Design software. I'm not even very fond of
>the monitor profile that it generated, but I'm willing to try again
>and see if it works better the second time. The only bonus with mine
>was a certificate for half price of either the RGB or CMYK upgrade
>(only one). That means you could get the printer portion of the Eye-
>one Photo for about $900USD.
>
>



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I really do not recommend anything less than Eye-one Photo or Monaco 
Pulse. You could maybe piece meal things together, but it would very 
likely cost more in the end. At some time in the future, I think a 
Monaco OptixXR pro might be the thing for me. For several reason the 
i1 does not work as well on LCD monitors as the Optix, and I think 
that is one problem I'm having with the monitor profile. The printer 
profiles from the Design are just not worth investigating. Andrew 
Rodney told me that he told GMB that the Design was too limited, and 
the profiles were junk, but they released it anyway. Why bother 
giving people Beta versions to test with if you don't listen to what 
the tester say?

Push comes to shove, I would probably pick the Pulse with the OptixXR 
bundle. If you can take advantage of it, Xrite offers educational 
discounts, the price list is posted on their site (but you have to 
dig to find it). I think the Pulse CMYK was only $1100 after edu 
discount. I did not have a good pre-sales experience with GMB's North 
Eastern sales manager, so maybe I'm biased. Every time I have 
contacted Xrite about old (out of production) equipment, they have 
ALWAYS responded quickly, and been very helpful. The only reason I 
bought the Design was to get the Spectro because it was needed for a 
different piece of software! (no updates to include the Pulse as the 
software in use is no longer a current product)

Please help spread the word about the Design package! You would 
actually be doing GMB a favor by preventing sales of this item, I can 
only image what lengths some people might go through when they bought 
a package that just does not work. The Colorvision "spectro" "stuff" 
that I also have did a way better job than the Design, and the other 
software that I use does a good job with the i1 spectro.

A side note: Jim at ecolortools.com offered to trade my Design 
towards the Pulse at no extra handling fees. He had never used the 
Design product, so he couldn't advise about it before the sale. I 
strongly recommend him for your purchase considerations!

Jack,

            The Eye-one Photo package is ok as long as you realize its
limits. The Spectro along with basiccolor v3 software will profile either
crt or lcd screens (much better than the gretag match software, it had a
pinky tinge). The printer profiles use a 918 patch reference for RGB
profiles in eye-one match v3. 

The way to go for CMYK profiling is the next level of software, profilemake
v5; the eye-one spectro works very well with this package.

 

Hope this helps

 

Jim Farrell

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From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Winberg
Sent: 17 April 2005 23:50
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Eye-One Design

 

I had been seriously considering the Eye-One Design to profile my monitor, 
as well as generate RGB profiles for my 2200 and 1160 printers with a 
variety of papers and inks.  You have given me GREAT pause.

So what DO you recommend as an entry level spectro based RGB and monitor 
profiling system?  I believe the next step up in the GMB line goes for 
about $1400 - $1500?

Any input would be greatly appreciated.

Jack Winberg

At 06:35 PM 4/17/2005, you wrote:
>From: "dfaprinting" <dfaprinting@...>
>Subject: Re: Heavy Chocolate profile for QTR?
>
>
>If you ONLY need a spectrophotometer, then you can get the Eye-one
>Design for around $750 USD from www.ecolortools.com . Let me stress
>this again, get this ONLY if you need JUST the spectro, the profiles
>generated with the extremely limited software are not good (normally
>I would use other words, but I'm trying to be polite). I don't know
>exactly what GMB was thinking when they decided to make a package
>that uses all of 45 patches to make a CMYK profile, they just come
>out looking ugly! That was tested using a printer connected to a
>properly limited/linearized RIP, applied either in the RIP or in
>Photoshop, both methods looked ugly.
>
>I haven't tested the RGB profiles, and based on the CMYK I don't
>think I ever will. I had much better results from Monaco EZcolor
>version 2 than with the Design software. I'm not even very fond of
>the monitor profile that it generated, but I'm willing to try again
>and see if it works better the second time. The only bonus with mine
>was a certificate for half price of either the RGB or CMYK upgrade
>(only one). That means you could get the printer portion of the Eye-
>one Photo for about $900USD.
>
>



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