Digital BW, The Print

I recently upgraded my R800 to Epson 4000.  kind of like going for VW 
beetle straight to Jumbo Jet....but anyway, I never had much luck 
printing B&W with the R800

So..I was wondering what B&W options are out there for the 4000 (inks, 
papers, and software).  

I know about the three built-in blacks, and have tried them on luster 
and enhanced matt,but that's it.  Any tips or starting points for 
research would be appreciated!

I have a 4000 on Windows XP and find that QTR works great with the UC 
inkset.  BO printing is also nice, but you are limited to the toning of 
the black in you choose.  I'm playing with UT7 inks in my 2200, and 
they are nice with IJC/OPM, QTR or Paul Roarks curves, but I don't know 
if the UT7 is available for the 4000.  You could probably fill you own 
if you wanted.  Check the MIS website or ask Paul or someone else for 
feedback.

IJC/OPM works great on my 2200, but I have had some problems with 
getting enough ink on the paper with my 4000.  Bowhaus is working on it 
and hopefully, they will come up with the fix.  So until and unless 
they can solve this issue, I'd have to recommend QTR for the 4000.

I like matte papers best in general.  I love Epson Velvet Fine Art for 
its great Dmax and texture.  Epson Enhanced Matte is nice, but not 
archival.  PhotoRag and Moab entrada are also nice, but I find they get 
less Dmax than Velvet Fine Art.  

Hope this helps a little.

Lou

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "njms200" 
<njms200@y...> wrote:
> I recently upgraded my R800 to Epson 4000.  kind of like going for VW 
> beetle straight to Jumbo Jet....but anyway, I never had much luck 
> printing B&W with the R800
> 
> So..I was wondering what B&W options are out there for the 4000 
(inks, 

> papers, and software).  
> 
> I know about the three built-in blacks, and have tried them on luster 
> and enhanced matt,but that's it.  Any tips or starting points for 
> research would be appreciated!

Thanks...I took a look at that info and it was helpful.

I also printed a few photos on luster paper.  When I first saw them, I 
was stunned by the quality.  Then I turned a photo a few inches and it 
turned purple!  Is that what you refer to as metamerism?  Is there a 
solution?

Metamerism is a pehnomenon where two samples match exactly under one 
lighting source, but when viewed under lights with a different spectral 
curve, they look different.  So, if your print looks great in daylight, 
but you get some weird shifts or crossovers in fluorescent or 
incandescent lighting, metamerism is rearing its head.  Dyes and 
pigments can sometimes have peaks when their molecules are excited by a 
specific part of the visible spectrum.  Some inks are more metameric 
than others (and pigment inks are more prone to metamerism than dyes).  

Since prints are nothing more than reflected light, your overall 
coloration will inevitably change somewhat depending on the light 
source used to view them.  Ideally, there will be no such shift and 
your prints will just appear a little warmer when viewed under a warmer 
light source.  

From my experimentation, I have found that the yellow ink in the Epson 
UC inkset is the most liely to do weird things under different lighting 
situations.  So, I try to eliminate or at least reduce the amount of 
yellow in all my profiles.  This reduces metamerism significantly.

A RIP like QTR or IJC/OPM allows you to build a profile that is 
neutral, has minimal metamerism, is linear, and has the best Dmax a 
paper/ink combo can deliver.  

Lou

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "njms200" 
<njms200@y...> wrote:
> Thanks...I took a look at that info and it was helpful.
> 
> I also printed a few photos on luster paper.  When I first saw them, 
I 
> was stunned by the quality.  Then I turned a photo a few inches and 
it 
> turned purple!  Is that what you refer to as metamerism?  Is there a 
> solution?

Thanks Louis!

Sorry for my ignorance, but can you tell me what ICJ/OPM and UT7 are?

Is it easy to use non-Epson inks in the 4000?

Is QTR compatible with ethernet or just USB (on Windows XP)?



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Louis Dina" 
<lbdina@c...> wrote:
> Metamerism is a pehnomenon where two samples match exactly under 
one 
> lighting source, but when viewed under lights with a different 
spectral 
> curve, they look different.  So, if your print looks great in 
daylight, 
> but you get some weird shifts or crossovers in fluorescent or 
> incandescent lighting, metamerism is rearing its head.  Dyes and 
> pigments can sometimes have peaks when their molecules are excited 
by a 
> specific part of the visible spectrum.  Some inks are more 
metameric 
> than others (and pigment inks are more prone to metamerism than 
dyes).  
> 
> Since prints are nothing more than reflected light, your overall 
> coloration will inevitably change somewhat depending on the light 
> source used to view them.  Ideally, there will be no such shift 
and 
> your prints will just appear a little warmer when viewed under a 
warmer 
> light source.  
> 
> From my experimentation, I have found that the yellow ink in the 
Epson 
> UC inkset is the most liely to do weird things under different 
lighting 
> situations.  So, I try to eliminate or at least reduce the amount 
of 
> yellow in all my profiles.  This reduces metamerism significantly.
> 
> A RIP like QTR or IJC/OPM allows you to build a profile that is 
> neutral, has minimal metamerism, is linear, and has the best Dmax 
a 
> paper/ink combo can deliver.  
> 
> Lou
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "njms200" 
> <njms200@y...> wrote:
> > Thanks...I took a look at that info and it was helpful.
> > 
> > I also printed a few photos on luster paper.  When I first saw 
them, 
> I 
> > was stunned by the quality.  Then I turned a photo a few inches 
and 
> it 
> > turned purple!  Is that what you refer to as metamerism?  Is 
there a 
> > solution?

Thanks for that!

I apologize for my ignorance, but can you tell me what IJC/OPM and 
UT7 are?

Is it easy to use non-Epson inks in the 4000?

Is QTR compatible with ethernet or only USB (on Windows XP)?

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Louis Dina" 
<lbdina@c...> wrote:
> Metamerism is a pehnomenon where two samples match exactly under 
one 
> lighting source, but when viewed under lights with a different 
spectral 
> curve, they look different.  So, if your print looks great in 
daylight, 
> but you get some weird shifts or crossovers in fluorescent or 
> incandescent lighting, metamerism is rearing its head.  Dyes and 
> pigments can sometimes have peaks when their molecules are excited 
by a 
> specific part of the visible spectrum.  Some inks are more 
metameric 
> than others (and pigment inks are more prone to metamerism than 
dyes).  
> 
> Since prints are nothing more than reflected light, your overall 
> coloration will inevitably change somewhat depending on the light 
> source used to view them.  Ideally, there will be no such shift 
and 
> your prints will just appear a little warmer when viewed under a 
warmer 
> light source.  
> 
> From my experimentation, I have found that the yellow ink in the 
Epson 
> UC inkset is the most liely to do weird things under different 
lighting 
> situations.  So, I try to eliminate or at least reduce the amount 
of 
> yellow in all my profiles.  This reduces metamerism significantly.
> 
> A RIP like QTR or IJC/OPM allows you to build a profile that is 
> neutral, has minimal metamerism, is linear, and has the best Dmax 
a 
> paper/ink combo can deliver.  
> 
> Lou
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "njms200" 
> <njms200@y...> wrote:
> > Thanks...I took a look at that info and it was helpful.
> > 
> > I also printed a few photos on luster paper.  When I first saw 
them, 
> I 
> > was stunned by the quality.  Then I turned a photo a few inches 
and 
> it 
> > turned purple!  Is that what you refer to as metamerism?  Is 
there a 
> > solution?

> Sorry for my ignorance, but can you tell me what ICJ/OPM and UT7 
are?

IJC/OPM is a software program designed to give you high quality B&W 
and monochrome output from your inkjet.  You can use any inkset with 
it, including Epson UltraChrome inks, or with QTR (Quad Tone Rip, 
which is a similar B&W software program).

> 
> Is it easy to use non-Epson inks in the 4000?

You'd have to check the MIS website.  I am using only the Epson UC 
inks in my 4000 at present.  I think MIS offers refillable cartridges 
for the 4000.


> Is QTR compatible with ethernet or just USB (on Windows XP)?

Can't answer that one.

Lou

Great!  I am glad to see there are other RIP options to choose 
from.  I was contemplating getting the Colorburst RIP LE from Epson, 
but now I think I'll take the $300 rebate and experiment with the 
other options instead!

I'll also be using UC inks I think.  I do hope they make the third 
black an option on the 4000.


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Louis Dina" 
<lbdina@c...> wrote:
> 
> > Sorry for my ignorance, but can you tell me what ICJ/OPM and UT7 
> are?
> 
> IJC/OPM is a software program designed to give you high quality 
B&W 
> and monochrome output from your inkjet.  You can use any inkset 
with 
> it, including Epson UltraChrome inks, or with QTR (Quad Tone Rip, 
> which is a similar B&W software program).
> 
> > 
> > Is it easy to use non-Epson inks in the 4000?
> 
> You'd have to check the MIS website.  I am using only the Epson UC 
> inks in my 4000 at present.  I think MIS offers refillable 
cartridges 

> for the 4000.
> 
> 
> > Is QTR compatible with ethernet or just USB (on Windows XP)?
> 
> Can't answer that one.
> 
> Lou

Don't believe it or not, but I 've just purchased an used 4000, 
downloaded the QTR and printed a perfect B&W A3 sized picture within 
half of an hour! This RIP is IMHO of a great value.

I am now working on softproofing for B&W prints with QTR (there is a 
short tutorial on Roy's site) and may be, will go back to "dot gain 
curve" method (as used in the past for piezography with the 21 steps). 
But for that you need a densitometer.

JM Humbert
Paris, France

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "njms200" 
<njms200@y...> wrote:
> I recently upgraded my R800 to Epson 4000.  kind of like going for VW 
> beetle straight to Jumbo Jet....but anyway, I never had much luck 
> printing B&W with the R800
> 
> So..I was wondering what B&W options are out there for the 4000 
(inks, 

> papers, and software).  
> 
> I know about the three built-in blacks, and have tried them on luster 
> and enhanced matt,but that's it.  Any tips or starting points for 
> research would be appreciated!

Jean-Marc

Jump straight to the ICC profile output workflow with QTR and use these ICC
profiles for softproofing.  They won't proof for hue but the proof for tonal
compression and your output will be better.

Steve

> From: Jean-Marc Humbert <humbertjm@...>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 08:44:23 -0000
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: the low-down on the Epson 4000
> 
> Don't believe it or not, but I 've just purchased an used 4000,
> downloaded the QTR and printed a perfect B&W A3 sized picture within
> half of an hour! This RIP is IMHO of a great value.
> 
> I am now working on softproofing for B&W prints with QTR (there is a
> short tutorial on Roy's site) and may be, will go back to "dot gain
> curve" method (as used in the past for piezography with the 21 steps).
> But for that you need a densitometer.
> 
> JM Humbert
> Paris, France
>

Can anyone tell me if IJC supports ethernet to a 9000? If not, can you tell
me where to get a USB adapter for the 9000?

Thanks,

Bill Morse
Digital Eye Editions
450 Harrison Ave. Studio 227
Boston, MA 02118
(617) 429-3298

http://digitaleyeeditions.com



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Message: 18
>    Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 17:36:54 -0400
>    From: Bill Morse <whm.lists@v...>
> Subject: 9000 w/ Ethernet and IJC?
> 
> Can anyone tell me if IJC supports ethernet to a 9000? If not, can you tell
> me where to get a USB adapter for the 9000?

Epson do make one, simply called ISD USB Smart Cable,  Model: ISD-103 you can order from any Epson dealer or Epson Shop.
Both of my 9000 are running from it.

Pedro

> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Bill Morse
> Digital Eye Editions
> 450 Harrison Ave. Studio 227
> Boston, MA 02118
> (617) 429-3298
> 
> http://digitaleyeeditions.com