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2005-05-24 by pldelsing
Could anyone tell me which adobe rgb channel corresponds with the cool toner in the MIS Ultratone quadset. I own a epson 1160 printer. The articles i read were about hexatone printers, where the green channel corresponds with the cool toner. Is this the same for quadtone printers, or is it the blue channel for these types? Best Regards, Philip Delsing. ps. I don not have the inkset yet.
2005-05-24 by Nick H. Nugent
Hello Philip, The blue channel. As far as I know all the quadtone inksets, VM, VMS, UT-FS and UT-FSN, are designed by Paul Roark with the toner in the yellow position. Even for a hex tone inkset I believe the blue channel still controls the toner. --nick --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com,
> "pldelsing" <pldelsing@y...wrote: Could anyone tell > me which adobe rgb channel corresponds with the cool > toner in the MIS Ultratone quadset. I own a epson > 1160 printer. The articles i read were about hexatone > printers, where the green channel corresponds with > the cool toner. Is this the same for quadtone > printers, or is it the blue channel for these types? > > Best Regards, > > Philip Delsing. > > ps. I don not have the inkset yet.
2005-05-24 by Phil & Marilu Morse
Philip, Yellow. Phil Morse pldelsing wrote:
>Could anyone tell me which adobe rgb channel corresponds with the cool toner in the >MIS Ultratone quadset. I own a epson 1160 printer. The articles i read were about >hexatone printers, where the green channel corresponds with the cool toner. >Is this the same for quadtone printers, or is it the blue channel for these types? > >Best Regards, > >Philip Delsing. > >ps. I don not have the inkset yet. > > > > > > > >Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > >If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. > >Please follow these basic guidelines: >- As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. >- Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. >- Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. >- By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See \ufffdGroup Topic, Rules and Guidelines\ufffd in the Files section: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > >BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE \ufffdOWNER\ufffd AND \ufffdMODERATORS\ufffd OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE \ufffdOWNER\ufffd AND \ufffdMODERATORS\ufffd OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > >
2005-05-24 by Paul Roark
As others indicated, in a quad (4-ink) printer like the 1160 and 3000, the UT1 bluish toner is in the yellow ink cart and is controlled by the blue Photoshop curve. The hextone UT1 printers have the toner in the magenta and light magenta spots. This was done to take advantage of the light ink spot. When I originally mixed the first variable-tone inkset for my 1160 (the "Variable-Piezo") I had no idea this method of printing would expand into more printers. So, for historical reasons, we've ended up with a bit of confusion. (And this is a major reason MIS occasionally makes mistakes along these lines.) Different inksets and different printers have different ink tones and densities in different spots -- much to MIS's chagrin. MIS would love to have a "one size fits all" inkset, but I don't do things that way. So, they and their customers suffer a higher rate of mistakes as a trade-off for more variety. Hope this helps. Paul www.PaulRoark.com
> -----Original Message----- > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > pldelsing > Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 8:04 AM > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Digital BW] adjustment curves quadtones mis ut > > Could anyone tell me which adobe rgb channel corresponds with the cool > toner in the > MIS Ultratone quadset. I own a epson 1160 printer. The articles i read > were about > hexatone printers, where the green channel corresponds with the cool > toner. > Is this the same for quadtone printers, or is it the blue channel for > these types? > > Best Regards, > > Philip Delsing. > > ps. I don not have the inkset yet. > > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as > they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same > page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. > Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the > membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W > printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from > the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner > and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files > section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND > "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO > YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR > EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF > PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE > "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN > ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE > OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) > UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) > STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE > PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >
2005-05-24 by pldelsing
Dear Nick, Thank you very much for your answer. --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Nick H. Nugent" <nghin@p...> wrote:
> Hello Philip, > > The blue channel. As far as I know all the quadtone > inksets, VM, VMS, UT-FS and UT-FSN, are designed by > Paul Roark with the toner in the yellow position. > > Even for a hex tone inkset I believe the blue channel > still controls the toner. > > --nick > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, > > "pldelsing" <pldelsing@y...: Could anyone tell > > me which adobe rgb channel corresponds with the cool > > toner in the MIS Ultratone quadset. I own a epson > > 1160 printer. The articles i read were about hexatone > > printers, where the green channel corresponds with > > the cool toner. Is this the same for quadtone > > printers, or is it the blue channel for these types? > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Philip Delsing. > > > > ps. I don not have the inkset yet.
2005-05-24 by pldelsing
Dear Phil, Thank you very much for answering. --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Phil & Marilu Morse <pmorse@c...> wrote: > Philip, > > Yellow. > > Phil Morse > > pldelsing wrote: > > >Could anyone tell me which adobe rgb channel corresponds with the cool toner in the > >MIS Ultratone quadset. I own a epson 1160 printer. The articles i read were about > >hexatone printers, where the green channel corresponds with the cool toner. > >Is this the same for quadtone printers, or is it the blue channel for these types? > > > >Best Regards, > > > >Philip Delsing. > > > >ps. I don not have the inkset yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. > > > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > > >If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. > > > >Please follow these basic guidelines: > >- As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. > >- Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. > >- Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. > >- By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files section: > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > > >BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP.
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2005-05-25 by pldelsing
Dear Paul, Thanks for answering. --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> As others indicated, in a quad (4-ink) printer like the 1160 and 3000, the > UT1 bluish toner is in the yellow ink cart and is controlled by the blue > Photoshop curve. > > The hextone UT1 printers have the toner in the magenta and light magenta > spots. This was done to take advantage of the light ink spot. When I > originally mixed the first variable-tone inkset for my 1160 (the > "Variable-Piezo") I had no idea this method of printing would expand into > more printers. So, for historical reasons, we've ended up with a bit of > confusion. (And this is a major reason MIS occasionally makes mistakes > along these lines.) > > Different inksets and different printers have different ink tones and > densities in different spots -- much to MIS's chagrin. MIS would love to > have a "one size fits all" inkset, but I don't do things that way. So, they > and their customers suffer a higher rate of mistakes as a trade-off for more > variety. > > Hope this helps. > > Paul > www.PaulRoark.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > > pldelsing > > Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 8:04 AM > > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [Digital BW] adjustment curves quadtones mis ut > > > > Could anyone tell me which adobe rgb channel corresponds with the cool > > toner in the > > MIS Ultratone quadset. I own a epson 1160 printer. The articles i read > > were about > > hexatone printers, where the green channel corresponds with the cool > > toner. > > Is this the same for quadtone printers, or is it the blue channel for > > these types? > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Philip Delsing. > > > > ps. I don not have the inkset yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as > > they are often being updated. > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same > > page. > > > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > > them short. > > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. > > Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the > > membership without notice. > > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W > > printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from > > the membership. > > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and > > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner > > and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files > > section: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > > YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND > > "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO > > YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR > > EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF > > PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE > > "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN > > ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE > > OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) > > UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) > > STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > > YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE > > PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > >