Digital BW, The Print

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To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 26 May 2005 14:27:28 -0000
Subject: [Digital BW] Digest Number 3139

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There are 26 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

       1. RE: A bit OT. Mounting Prints - effect of heat on  inkjet 
print -  any
recommended books
           From: "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...>
      2. Re: Wet Mounting - What is it?
           From: "Djon" <westsidemaurice@...>
       3. Re: B&W Digital negative with R800 printer successful for 
silver
printing
           From: "al_charbonneau" <al_charbonneau@...>
      4. 2100 Replacment (2200 in USA)
           From: claudej1@...
      5. (unknown)
           From: photoian@...
      6. Re: Digest Number 3119
           From: dwardphd@...
      7. Re: Neutral profile goals
           From: "Louis Dina" <lbdina@...>
      8. Re: Matte versus glossy dmax: a matter of physics?
           From: Mark Rabiner <mark@...>
       9. Re: A bit OT. Mounting Prints - effect of heat on inkjet print 
- any
recommended
           From: "jkwait2000" <jkwait2000@...>
     10. Paul R:  AutoPrint
           From: "scott_now_coming" <scott_now_coming@...>
     11. Re: Neutral profile goals
           From: "Martin Carrington" <martinc@...>
     12. Re:Glossy, MAtte and Dmax- Is it physics?
           From: "Julio Fernandez" <gluemax@...>
     13. Capacity of MIS 2200 clear refill carts
           From: "Peter Page" <peter6758@...>
     14. MIS Plugs for carts
           From: Henrik Frejborg <henrik.frejborg@...>
     15. Epson 4800 User Report
           From: "John Broski" <jbroski@...>
     16. MIS Photo Black problems.
           From: "josh_wertheimer" <josh_wertheimer@...>
     17. Re: Matte versus glossy dmax: a matter of physics?
           From: Steve Kale <stevekale@...>
     18. RE: Matte versus glossy dmax: a matter of physics?
           From: "Seth" <seth@...>
     19. Re: Capacity of MIS 2200 clear refill carts
           From: "Clayton Jones" <cj@...>
     20. RE: MIS Plugs for carts
           From: "Jake Hellbach" <jake@...>
     21. Re: MIS Plugs for carts
           From: Steve Kale <stevekale@...>
     22. Upgrade from an Epson 1160 w/Peizotone inks?
           From: "Lotusm50" <LotusM50@...>
     23. Re: Re:Glossy, MAtte and Dmax- Is it physics?
           From: "Brian Ellis" <bellis60@...>
     24. Re: MIS Plugs for carts
           From: terry lindquist <tsll@...>
     25. Mounting Prints
           From: "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...>
     26. RE: Paul R:  AutoPrint
           From: "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...>


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Message: 1
   Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 16:54:33 -0700
   From: "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...>
Subject: RE: A bit OT. Mounting Prints - effect of heat on  inkjet 
print -  any
recommended books

Roy,

I tape hang matte prints behind an over matte, and then put them in a 
black
metal frame with acrylic glazing.  Aside from the static & dust on the
acrylic, this is much easier than dry mounting.

I saw some museum glass the other day that would help with reflections.
However, it may be more sensitive than acrylic, and there still are some
(greenish) reflections of lights.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com


> -----Original Message-----
> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Roy
> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 1:40 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Digital BW] A bit OT. Mounting Prints - effect of heat 
on
> inkjet print - any recommended books
>
> At 09:39 AM 5/25/2005, you wrote:
> >Roy,
> >
> >I have measured test strips of MIS B&W inks before and after dry 
mounting
> >and found no significant differences.  I have the press set to 180 
and
> use
> >Seal Archival mount.  I leave the prints in the press for 1 minute, 
but
> >usually have to do more than one press per print for large prints.  
I do
> not
> >press matte paper -- only sprayed Premium Semimatte.
> >
> >Paul
>
>
> Thanks Paul
>
> What do you do for matte?
>
>
> Roy
>
>
>
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Message: 2
   Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 23:58:34 -0000
   From: "Djon" <westsidemaurice@...>
Subject: Re: Wet Mounting - What is it?



1) You'll find evidence in favor of wet mounting with Nikon 8000 on
the Kami website.

2) The fluids evaporate very rapidly and cleanly.

3) Wet mounting doesn't "dissolve grain," it reduces a scanner's
tendency to exaggerate grain.

4) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SCANMAX/?yguid=96117688

... a wet mount-oriented site for flatbeds. Julio Fernandez is able to
answer all questions in depth. He does sell wet mounting kits but he
doesn't promote them actively on the site.

Djon

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Troy"
<troyb@s...> wrote:
> I would recommend that you go to a user group for your specific
scanner - I belong
> to the Coolscan 8000-9000 yahoo group; wet mounting is talked about
all the time.
> The subject comes up also on the Epson 4870/4990 group.
>
> Wet mounting is a process used in drum scanning that has been
applied to dedicated
> film scanners like the Nikon LS 8000 or flatbeds like the Epson
Perfection series.
>
> The arguments for wet mounting are that you reduce the effects of
film grain while
> minimizing dust and scatches. The evidence is difficult to show
online due to monitor
> resolution - it is the kind of thing you would have to see in person.
>
> The thing that scares me is puting flammable fluids into my only
scanner, without
> enough proof that wet mounting is actually superior enough to dry.
There is also
> clean-up to do afterward. Anytime you soften grain, you risk some
detail loss,
> depending on how it is handled and if it matters for your subject.
For me detail is
> critical, so I keep the grain.
>
>  - Troy
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Marsolais"
<bob@m...>
> wrote:
> > I know this is a bit off topic, but I saw mention earlier this
week on
> > this forum of "wet mounting" as a way of improving scanner output.
> > What is this, how do you do it, and where can I get more 
information?
> >
> > Thanks!




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Message: 3
   Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 00:01:54 -0000
   From: "al_charbonneau" <al_charbonneau@...>

Subject: Re: A bit OT. Mounting Prints - effect of heat on inkjet print 
- any
recommended

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Roy
<thinkgreen@s...> wrote:
> I've looked for a yahoo group that's about mounting inkjet prints
but there
> is none :-)
>
> What are
> good "non dry mount" (wet ?) alternatives with glues and the like.


Hi Roy.
Look at 3M Scotch Positionable Mounting Adhesive. It is considered
"Photo safe" and can be hand done(no press needed).
You simply apply it, peel the backing sheet, position the print and
burnish. It seems to work nicely where suspension mounting isn't
effective for whatever reason.

Regards.
Duane

I;ve found that the positionable adhesive will release in places over 
time
giving a billowy effect to the print. I much prefer dry mounting and 
haven't
seen any deleterious effects yet. Of course, I don't know what Wilhelm 
age
testing would show for drymounted inkjets.

Ian


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If youhave problems with the 3M Positionable Adhesive releasing over 
time, try coating BOTH the print and the mounting substrate with a 
layer of the adhesive.  I've found that two layers, back to back like 
this, insure reliable long-term adhesion.

David Ward
David V. Ward Fine Art Photography
www.dvward.com