Digital BW, The Print

Eximvaios (www.eximvaios.com) got in about 20 4800's so I drove over to Berkeley and 
picked one up yesterday.  Some might be interested in my first impressions:  Color is 
much better than the 4000.  Blacks are much denser and the rest of the spectrum seems 
more intense.  Laying out two 16x24 prints made from the 4000 and the 4800 side by 
side is startling!  You see the difference immediately and the difference is gratifying.  I've 
only made a dozen or so color prints so far but as of now I'm very pleased.  I printed some 
black and whites with Advanced B@W mode on Premium Luster and am very pleased with 
the results.  Much much better than matte prints.  Blacks are very good.  Holding up a 
4800 print alongside silver prints on my wall reveals that the 4800's blacks are, at least to 
my eye, so close that I don't feel thwarted as I did with the 4000.  The only thing I feel 
some reservation about is that I don't know If I can learn to love the Lustre finish for B@W.  
Time and working with a lot of different subjects will help decide for me. As for trying 
Matte, I don't intend to do that for a while as I understand the Matte ink is the same as the 
4000 ink and I was never pleased with the dmax.  Ever.  Down the pike, I'm confident 
someone will come up with a great matte black ink compatible with the 4800.  We'll see.
Joe Davajon

On 6/11/05, Joe Davajon <davajon@...> wrote:

> Down the pike, I'm confident
> someone will come up with a great matte black ink compatible with the 4800.  

Doesn't Eboni work in the 4000?  If so, shouldn't it work in the 4800?

Lee
-- 
Lee Hiers, AA4GA
"Have Dobro Will Travel"

Joe; 

I think the Premium semi-matte is nicer for B&W-it has a light sheen 
and no texture to speak of. Perhaps the folks at EximVaios have it 
in 17" rolls? they're the guys that cut paper to unusual roll sizes, 
are they not? Maybe they have a sample.

Steve Karafyllakis

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Davajon" 
<davajon@s...> wrote:
> Eximvaios (www.eximvaios.com) got in about 20 4800's so I drove 
over to Berkeley and 
> picked one up yesterday.  Some might be interested in my first 
impressions:  Color is 
> much better than the 4000.  Blacks are much denser and the rest of 
the spectrum seems 
> more intense.  Laying out two 16x24 prints made from the 4000 and 
the 4800 side by 
> side is startling!  You see the difference immediately and the 
difference is gratifying.  I've 
> only made a dozen or so color prints so far but as of now I'm very 
pleased.  I printed some 
> black and whites with Advanced B@W mode on Premium Luster and am 
very pleased with 
> the results.  Much much better than matte prints.  Blacks are very 
good.  Holding up a 
> 4800 print alongside silver prints on my wall reveals that the 
4800's blacks are, at least to 
> my eye, so close that I don't feel thwarted as I did with the 
4000.  The only thing I feel 
> some reservation about is that I don't know If I can learn to love 
the Lustre finish for B@W.  
> Time and working with a lot of different subjects will help decide 
for me. As for trying 
> Matte, I don't intend to do that for a while as I understand the 
Matte ink is the same as the 
> 4000 ink and I was never pleased with the dmax.  Ever.  Down the 
pike, I'm confident 
> someone will come up with a great matte black ink compatible with 
the 4800.  We'll see.
> Joe Davajon

Yes it will.  But eboni ink doesn't get you much further down the road than
Epson MK.  It is more neutral though but that would likely upset the Adv B&W
tone picker.

> From: Lee Hiers <lee.hiers@...>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 01:49:52 -0400
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] 4000 to 4800
> 
> On 6/11/05, Joe Davajon <davajon@...> wrote:
> 
>> Down the pike, I'm confident
>> someone will come up with a great matte black ink compatible with the 4800.
> 
> Doesn't Eboni work in the 4000?  If so, shouldn't it work in the 4800?
> 
> Lee
> -- 
> Lee Hiers, AA4GA
> "Have Dobro Will Travel"

Or Epson Premium Semi-gloss.  Out of Lustre, Ilford Smooth Pearl and EPSG,
the latter is my favourite.  Pity it costs double ISP.  Joe, glad you feel
the same way I did about the printer.  Now if only someone would become
truly innovative and produce a decent matte black ink...I'm afraid ya just
can't copy the Epson one.

> From: Steven Karafyllakis <steve@...>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 06:46:23 -0000
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: 4000 to 4800
> 
> Joe; 
> 
> I think the Premium semi-matte is nicer for B&W-it has a light sheen
> and no texture to speak of. Perhaps the folks at EximVaios have it
> in 17" rolls? they're the guys that cut paper to unusual roll sizes,
> are they not? Maybe they have a sample.
> 
> Steve Karafyllakis
>

My own feeling is that matte suffers on all counts -
both with B&W and color, compared to Premium Luster. 
Discounting the metamerism, color with the 2000P was
even good and intense with Premium Luster, and is
totally natural and fine with the 4000.  Haven't seen
the 4800 yet, but I am able, with tweaking, to get jet
black blacks with the 4000 on Luster paper.  Matte
simply sucks in my opinion.

Peter  

--- Joe Davajon <davajon@...> wrote:

> Eximvaios (www.eximvaios.com) got in about 20 4800's
> so I drove over to Berkeley and 
> picked one up yesterday.  Some might be interested
> in my first impressions:  Color is 
> much better than the 4000.  Blacks are much denser
> and the rest of the spectrum seems 
> more intense.  Laying out two 16x24 prints made from
> the 4000 and the 4800 side by 
> side is startling!  You see the difference
> immediately and the difference is gratifying.  I've 
> only made a dozen or so color prints so far but as
> of now I'm very pleased.  I printed some 
> black and whites with Advanced B@W mode on Premium
> Luster and am very pleased with 
> the results.  Much much better than matte prints. 
> Blacks are very good.  Holding up a 
> 4800 print alongside silver prints on my wall
> reveals that the 4800's blacks are, at least to 
> my eye, so close that I don't feel thwarted as I did
> with the 4000.  The only thing I feel 
> some reservation about is that I don't know If I can
> learn to love the Lustre finish for B@W.  
> Time and working with a lot of different subjects
> will help decide for me. As for trying 
> Matte, I don't intend to do that for a while as I
> understand the Matte ink is the same as the 
> 4000 ink and I was never pleased with the dmax. 
> Ever.  Down the pike, I'm confident 
> someone will come up with a great matte black ink
> compatible with the 4800.  We'll see.
> Joe Davajon
> 
> 
> 



		
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> But eboni ... is more neutral though but that would likely upset 
>the Adv B&W tone picker.
> 
> > Doesn't Eboni work in the 4000?  If so, shouldn't it work in the 4800?

The black ink is only used at the very end of the spectrum, where it totally
dominates the tones in all printers I've ever seen.  As such, switching from
UC MK to Eboni will probably have no effect on the tone picker.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Joe-

Did you happen to find out what the deal was they were touting on a 
4000 trade in??

thanks,

Tom O'Connell

<<Tom OConnell <tomoc@...> wrote:
Joe-
Did you happen to find out what the deal was they were
touting on a 4000 trade in??
thanks,
Tom O'Connell>>

Tom:
Yes.  They offered me $800 for my  4000 if the 4000
still had a warranty and $700 for it if not under
warranty.  I took the deal and am as happy as a tick
on a dog.
Joe Davajon






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