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2005-06-11 by Scott McLoughlin
Paul Roark mentions this paper in his overview of the C86, and I'd like to try it. I've scoured via Google, but can't seem to turn up a supplier of this paper. Any pointers greatly appreciated. Thanks! Scott
2005-06-11 by Paul Roark
> Paul Roark mentions this paper in his overview of the C86, and > I'd like to try it. I've scoured via Google, but can't seem to turn > up a supplier of this paper. > See http://www.photowarehouse.biz/premier.html for the Premier Art Premium Matte paper. It's at the bottom of the list there. I believe this is the same paper that they labeled as "Dual" matte in a beta test pack to me. The "dual" was probably just to highlight that it was coated on both sides. An acid-free paper with a dmax better than EEM and price about the same as EEM seems like a good deal. My recollection is that it is very bright and prints cold -- which the BO prints might like. I also found it was very sharp -- which is a mixed bag. The bad news in this is that it makes dots stand out more than on most papers. The UT-FS-Y option for UT2 and UT7 printers might make a visible difference with the paper. Paul www.PaulRoark.com
2005-06-11 by Peter De Smidt
Paul Roark wrote: >See http://www.photowarehouse.biz/premier.html for the Premier Art Premium >Matte paper. It's at the bottom of the list there. I believe this is the >same paper that they labeled as "Dual" matte in a beta test pack to me. The >"dual" was probably just to highlight that it was coated on both sides. An >acid-free paper with a dmax better than EEM and price about the same as EEM >seems like a good deal. > >My recollection is that it is very bright and prints cold -- which the BO >prints might like. I also found it was very sharp -- which is a mixed bag. >The bad news in this is that it makes dots stand out more than on most >papers. The UT-FS-Y option for UT2 and UT7 printers might make a visible >difference with the paper. > >Paul >www.PaulRoark.com > > > > I bought some from the photo warehouse. Their service was good. The paper is nice, but it must have a ton of optical brighteners, as Paul has mentioned. For color printing, I like EEM a little better, but the Premier Art Premium Matte paper might last longer before yellowing. Peter De Smidt
2005-06-11 by Paul Roark
> >See http://www.photowarehouse.biz/premier.html for the > >Premier Art Premium Matte paper. ... > > An acid-free paper with a dmax better than EEM and price about > > the same as EEM ... > > > ... The paper is nice, but it must have a ton of optical brighteners ... > For color printing, I like EEM a little better, but the > Premier Art Premium Matte paper might last longer before yellowing. > Pick your poison. EEM will yellow from acid, the highly brightened papers will yellow (lose their brightness) from the OBAs burning out. The brighteners burning out may not destroy the photo, but people will think it is aging badly. For photos I want to look good for a long time, a non-brightened paper like Premier Art Hot Press 205 is what I'd use. Paul www.PaulRoark.com
2005-06-11 by Scott McLoughlin
Thanks! Paul Roark wrote:
> > Paul Roark mentions this paper in his overview of the C86, and > > I'd like to try it. I've scoured via Google, but can't seem to turn > > up a supplier of this paper. > > > > See http://www.photowarehouse.biz/premier.html for the Premier Art Premium > Matte paper. It's at the bottom of the list there. I believe this is the > same paper that they labeled as "Dual" matte in a beta test pack to > me. The > "dual" was probably just to highlight that it was coated on both sides. An > acid-free paper with a dmax better than EEM and price about the same > as EEM > seems like a good deal. > > My recollection is that it is very bright and prints cold -- which the BO > prints might like. I also found it was very sharp -- which is a mixed bag. > The bad news in this is that it makes dots stand out more than on most > papers. The UT-FS-Y option for UT2 and UT7 printers might make a visible > difference with the paper. > > Paul > www.PaulRoark.com > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other > resources as they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish > to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting > this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to > keep them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from > the membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital > B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be > removed from the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group > Owner and Moderators. See \ufffdGroup Topic, Rules and Guidelines\ufffd in the > Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE > PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE \ufffdOWNER\ufffd > AND \ufffdMODERATORS\ufffd OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE > LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, > CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, > DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE > LOSSES (EVEN IF THE \ufffdOWNER\ufffd AND \ufffdMODERATORS\ufffd OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), > RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, > THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF > YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD > PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER > MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *Yahoo! Groups Links* > > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/ > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>. > >
2005-06-11 by Scott McLoughlin
Why do they add OBA's in the first place, then? I don't understand why someone doesn't make an acid/lignin/OBA free alpha cellulose paper that's cheaper than cotton papers. One would think there would be a decent market. Scott Paul Roark wrote:
> > >See http://www.photowarehouse.biz/premier.html for the > > >Premier Art Premium Matte paper. ... > > > An acid-free paper with a dmax better than EEM and price about > > > the same as EEM ... > > > > > > ... The paper is nice, but it must have a ton of optical brighteners ... > > For color printing, I like EEM a little better, but the > > Premier Art Premium Matte paper might last longer before yellowing. > > > > Pick your poison. EEM will yellow from acid, the highly brightened papers > will yellow (lose their brightness) from the OBAs burning out. The > brighteners burning out may not destroy the photo, but people will > think it > is aging badly. > > For photos I want to look good for a long time, a non-brightened paper > like > Premier Art Hot Press 205 is what I'd use. > > Paul > www.PaulRoark.com > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other > resources as they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish > to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting > this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to > keep them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from > the membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital > B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be > removed from the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group > Owner and Moderators. See \ufffdGroup Topic, Rules and Guidelines\ufffd in the > Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE > PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE \ufffdOWNER\ufffd > AND \ufffdMODERATORS\ufffd OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE > LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, > CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, > DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE > LOSSES (EVEN IF THE \ufffdOWNER\ufffd AND \ufffdMODERATORS\ufffd OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), > RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, > THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF > YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD > PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER > MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *Yahoo! Groups Links* > > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/ > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>. > >
2005-06-12 by Jim Doyle
Scott, The paper manufactures add OBA's To make a whiter sheet of paper..White sheets outsell warmer papers almost 5 to 1 why personal choice.. also If you goto my website and Look at the Innova Papers ..You can download the spec sheets.. The Soft texture 315gsm & The Cold Press 315 gsm are both acid/lignin/OBA free alpha cellulose papers.. If You have any questions about them call or email me anytime! Hope This helps a Bit! Jim Doyle J. Doyle Enterprises LLC 114 Old Orchard Rd Cherry Hill, NJ 08003 856-424-8660 http://www.shadesofpaper.com AOL IM: Brokerup99
-----Original Message----- From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Scott McLoughlin Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 5:31 PM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Good online source for Premier Art Dual Matte paper Why do they add OBA's in the first place, then? I don't understand why someone doesn't make an acid/lignin/OBA free alpha cellulose paper that's cheaper than cotton papers. One would think there would be a decent market. Scott Paul Roark wrote: > > >See http://www.photowarehouse.biz/premier.html for the > > >Premier Art Premium Matte paper. ... > > > An acid-free paper with a dmax better than EEM and price about > > > the same as EEM ... > > > > > > ... The paper is nice, but it must have a ton of optical brighteners ... > > For color printing, I like EEM a little better, but the > > Premier Art Premium Matte paper might last longer before yellowing. > > > > Pick your poison. EEM will yellow from acid, the highly brightened papers > will yellow (lose their brightness) from the OBAs burning out. The > brighteners burning out may not destroy the photo, but people will > think it > is aging badly. > > For photos I want to look good for a long time, a non-brightened paper > like > Premier Art Hot Press 205 is what I'd use. > > Paul > www.PaulRoark.com > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other > resources as they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish > to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting > this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to > keep them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from > the membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital > B&W printing. 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2005-06-12 by Djon
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Scott McLoughlin <scott@a...> wrote: > Why do they add OBA's in the first place, then? Because they always did in silver paper. It's not as big a point as it's being made out. "Archival" was never much of an issue until Zone VI found it could be used for marketing purposes. I don't understand > why someone doesn't make an acid/lignin/OBA free alpha cellulose > paper that's cheaper than cotton papers. > > One would think there would be a decent market. There's no reason to make cheap paper. Why seek a cheap market? > > Scott
2005-06-12 by Steve Kale
Much like your washing powder. Add some blue optical brighteners and your whites look whiter!
> From: Jim Doyle <jdoyle1713@...> > Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 20:33:27 -0400 > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Good online source for Premier Art Dual Matte paper > > Scott, > > The paper manufactures add OBA's To make a whiter sheet of paper..White > sheets outsell warmer papers almost 5 to 1 why personal choice.. > > also If you goto my website and Look at the Innova Papers ..You can download > the spec sheets.. > The Soft texture 315gsm & The Cold Press 315 gsm are both acid/lignin/OBA > free alpha cellulose papers.. > > If You have any questions about them call or email me anytime! > > Hope This helps a Bit! > > Jim Doyle > > > J. Doyle Enterprises LLC > 114 Old Orchard Rd > Cherry Hill, NJ 08003 > 856-424-8660 > http://www.shadesofpaper.com > AOL IM: Brokerup99 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Scott > McLoughlin > Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 5:31 PM > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Good online source for Premier Art Dual Matte > paper > > > Why do they add OBA's in the first place, then? I don't understand > why someone doesn't make an acid/lignin/OBA free alpha cellulose > paper that's cheaper than cotton papers. > > One would think there would be a decent market. > > Scott >