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QTR, 9500

2005-06-12 by Walker Blackwell

So here is my question/need. I have QTR up and running for UC 9600.  
It's all great, but I'd like to run it with tri-tone.  I have access  
to a 9500 for way cheap. I'm thinking of using the following inks:  
Portfolio Black (piezotone), Light Black, Light Light Black, Lc, Lm, Y.

If this works it would free my current Quadtone 9600 up to run the  
Piezotone K7 inks when they come out in that size.

Anyone have any suggestions for where to start on this project? Do we  
even have QTR running on the 9500? Would it simply be a confluence of  
the new setups for the 9800 with a driver for the 9500? I can do this  
fine in StudioPrint, but StudioPrint fails to give a simple curve  
mixer. I'd have to run it RGB and tone from Photoshop + spend another  
sload for a profiler that can run custom Black generation curves. I  
already have the basic profiler, but . . . .

All right, take care all, Walker Blackwell

Re: QTR, 9500

2005-06-12 by Roy Harrington

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Walker Blackwell 
<lists@w...> wrote:
> So here is my question/need. I have QTR up and running for UC 9600.  
> It's all great, but I'd like to run it with tri-tone.  I have access  
> to a 9500 for way cheap. I'm thinking of using the following inks:  
> Portfolio Black (piezotone), Light Black, Light Light Black, Lc, Lm, Y.
> 
> If this works it would free my current Quadtone 9600 up to run the  
> Piezotone K7 inks when they come out in that size.
> 
> Anyone have any suggestions for where to start on this project? Do we  
> even have QTR running on the 9500? Would it simply be a confluence of  
> the new setups for the 9800 with a driver for the 9500? I can do this  
> fine in StudioPrint, but StudioPrint fails to give a simple curve  
> mixer. I'd have to run it RGB and tone from Photoshop + spend another  
> sload for a profiler that can run custom Black generation curves. I  
> already have the basic profiler, but . . . .
> 
> All right, take care all, Walker Blackwell

The 9500 is a great old printer -- I have the smaller brother a 7500.
However it has huge drops of ink compared with the newer printers. So
I wouldn't run anything less than a real quad-tone -- you really do need
all those very light grays.  Likewise you can't use strong toner inks because
they'll show too.  If you mean ultrachrome for your lc, lm & y they are too
strong in color.   If you want to go with piezotone inks I'd go with one
full quad inkset and then have a partial second set (2 inks) where you can get
a mild tone variation.

I don't know if there's going to be any support for the 6 ink printers with
Cone's new inks, but I think the older printers (*000 and *500) would benefit 
much more with more grays than the newer printers (*600 and *800).

Roy

Re: [Digital BW] Re: QTR, 9500

2005-06-12 by Walker Blackwell

thanks for the word.  yeah. I agree with you about the ink.  The  
current 7500 quad setup is doubled because of the lack of  
nozzles . . . . . . anything less than 4 would also be quite bad too  
huh . . . maybe if I run 6 of the K7 inks on the 9500 . . .
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On Jun 12, 2005, at 01:23 PM, Roy Harrington wrote:

> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Walker Blackwell
> <lists@w...> wrote:
>
>> So here is my question/need. I have QTR up and running for UC 9600.
>> It's all great, but I'd like to run it with tri-tone.  I have access
>> to a 9500 for way cheap. I'm thinking of using the following inks:
>> Portfolio Black (piezotone), Light Black, Light Light Black, Lc,  
>> Lm, Y.
>>
>> If this works it would free my current Quadtone 9600 up to run the
>> Piezotone K7 inks when they come out in that size.
>>
>> Anyone have any suggestions for where to start on this project? Do we
>> even have QTR running on the 9500? Would it simply be a confluence of
>> the new setups for the 9800 with a driver for the 9500? I can do this
>> fine in StudioPrint, but StudioPrint fails to give a simple curve
>> mixer. I'd have to run it RGB and tone from Photoshop + spend another
>> sload for a profiler that can run custom Black generation curves. I
>> already have the basic profiler, but . . . .
>>
>> All right, take care all, Walker Blackwell
>>
>
> The 9500 is a great old printer -- I have the smaller brother a 7500.
> However it has huge drops of ink compared with the newer printers. So
> I wouldn't run anything less than a real quad-tone -- you really do  
> need
> all those very light grays.  Likewise you can't use strong toner  
> inks because
> they'll show too.  If you mean ultrachrome for your lc, lm & y they  
> are too
> strong in color.   If you want to go with piezotone inks I'd go  
> with one
> full quad inkset and then have a partial second set (2 inks) where  
> you can get
> a mild tone variation.
>
> I don't know if there's going to be any support for the 6 ink  
> printers with
> Cone's new inks, but I think the older printers (*000 and *500)  
> would benefit
> much more with more grays than the newer printers (*600 and *800).
>
> Roy
>
>
>
>
>
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[Digital BW] Re: QTR, 9500

2005-06-12 by Tyler Boley

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Walker Blackwell
<lists@w...> wrote:
> thanks for the word.  yeah. I agree with you about the ink.  The  
> current 7500 quad setup is doubled because of the lack of  
> nozzles . . . . . . anything less than 4 would also be quite bad too  
> huh . . . maybe if I run 6 of the K7 inks on the 9500 . . .

I've seen 6 ink mono prints from a 9500. The K7 inks weren't available
yet so the person hand diluted his own from piezotone sets.
The results were stunning. I'd say you'd have a winner there.
Tyler

[Digital BW] Re: QTR, 9500

2005-06-12 by Tyler Boley

oops, sorry... they were from a 9000. Still I think it work work
wonderfully...
T

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tyler Boley"
<tyler@t...> wrote:
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> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Walker Blackwell
> <lists@w...> wrote:
> > thanks for the word.  yeah. I agree with you about the ink.  The  
> > current 7500 quad setup is doubled because of the lack of  
> > nozzles . . . . . . anything less than 4 would also be quite bad too  
> > huh . . . maybe if I run 6 of the K7 inks on the 9500 . . .
> 
> I've seen 6 ink mono prints from a 9500. The K7 inks weren't available
> yet so the person hand diluted his own from piezotone sets.
> The results were stunning. I'd say you'd have a winner there.
> Tyler

Re: [Digital BW] Re: QTR, 9500

2005-06-12 by Walker Blackwell

yeah. I guess I'll do that. What were his dilution ratios?
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On Jun 12, 2005, at 02:13 PM, Tyler Boley wrote:

> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Walker Blackwell
> <lists@w...> wrote:
>
>> thanks for the word.  yeah. I agree with you about the ink.  The
>> current 7500 quad setup is doubled because of the lack of
>> nozzles . . . . . . anything less than 4 would also be quite bad too
>> huh . . . maybe if I run 6 of the K7 inks on the 9500 . . .
>>
>
> I've seen 6 ink mono prints from a 9500. The K7 inks weren't available
> yet so the person hand diluted his own from piezotone sets.
> The results were stunning. I'd say you'd have a winner there.
> Tyler
>
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