Digital BW, The Print

I just got an email from a couple of friends of mine in Paris. One is pretty well 
known portrait photographer and the other is a great fine art printer who prints 
black and white work for famous French art photographers.

They can't find #3 Spot Tone and are freaking out. I thought it was funny at 
first, but it's tragic to them. When I looked around Atlanta I couldn't find any 
either!

Does anyone have a good source for it. They are in real need. 

Thanks,

John

The company that made Spottone (Retouch Methods) closed up shop a few 
months back:

http://largeformatphotography.info/lfforum/topic/502177.html

Keith

 
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John,

After my supply of Spotone #2/3 was almost gone I posted the same search
several months after checking with all major mail order outlets. Spotone is
indeed no longer being made. Evidently the person who made it was a small
operation and after his demise his family no longer wanted to continue it.

I've tried various options - Marshalls (too purple), Berg (too blue), etc.
The spotting pens seem to be the best option but don't have the same degree
of control as dye and a 10/0 brush.

Sad that something as insignificant as Spotone will be so sorely missed.

rm

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> I just got an email from a couple of friends of mine in Paris. One is pretty
> well 
> known portrait photographer and the other is a great fine art printer who
> prints 
> black and white work for famous French art photographers.
> 
> They can't find #3 Spot Tone and are freaking out. I thought it was funny at
> first, but it's tragic to them. When I looked around Atlanta I couldn't find
> any 
> either!
> 
> Does anyone have a good source for it. They are in real need.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> John

Editor P.O.V. Image Service wrote:
 >
 > http://largeformatphotography.info/lfforum/topic/502177.html

Thanks for the interesting story, Keith!

This subject reminded me of the following: how do you folks retouch 
inkjet prints? A professional printer told me that he throws away all 
imperfect prints, and, as you all know, a little dust is enough to 
create white spots on them. This procedure seems a bit excessive to me.

Does anyone mix printer inks and spot with a brush?

Louis

I know that you can use normal spot tone on EEM and Hanhemuell Photo 
Rag. Search for some references here and on Artshow_photo.
Mike

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Louis de Stoutz 
<loudest@a...> wrote:
> Editor P.O.V. Image Service wrote:
>  >
>  > http://largeformatphotography.info/lfforum/topic/502177.html
> 
> Thanks for the interesting story, Keith!
> 
> This subject reminded me of the following: how do you folks retouch 
> inkjet prints? A professional printer told me that he throws away 
all 
> imperfect prints, and, as you all know, a little dust is enough to 
> create white spots on them. This procedure seems a bit excessive to 
me.

> 
> Does anyone mix printer inks and spot with a brush?
> 
> Louis

Yes.

On Jun 28, 2005, at 12:30 PM, Louis de Stoutz wrote:

> Does anyone mix printer inks and spot with a brush?

I never used Spotone on digital prints unless they were 1270 prints. Since all 
my prints are pigments now that is what I uset to spot them. As you all know, 
occasionally you end up with a tiny white flake dot here and there or some 
spot from the print sticking to something or other. I use Windsor Newton 
watercolor pigments since they are the most stable and will outlast my prints 
most likely. When I let the watercolor dry I then spray the print with a uv spray 
usually. For black and white pigment work I use the paynes grey WN pigment 
often combined with a little sienna, burnt umber, or blue if the print is toned. 
You can get quite good at this and it works quite well. However, I don't miss 
the old days of sitting up nights with the jewelers glasses on and dust spotting 
silver prints. Thank the lord for the healing brush and fluid mounted drum 
scans. There are better things to do with ones time.

John

> Does anyone mix printer inks and spot with a brush?
> 
> Louis

I have used the pens and while I can get a close match regarding color/density, it always seems that no matter how careful I am, I get a small indent in the paper surface that under normal viewing condiditions you can't see but I know is there. Like Lewis, I have been hoping/looking for my particular inksets to be packaged in small bottles for use with brushes to spot prints. Next time my carts are almost empty I guess I could pull them and drain the remaining ink into small bottles for use in spotting. Knowing my luck with things likw this I will make sure I do this in a big sink!

Mark Maio

An easy way to spot digital prints (matte ones at least) is to print a
step wedge on glossy paper using the same inset, curves etc. as the
print to be spotted. Even when the ink drys it can be easily lifted with
a moistened camel hair brush. The technique is virtually the same as
with Spotone except glossy paper is used to hold the different densities
of gray-black rather than a ceramic dish. The step wedge makes matching
the densities pretty straight forward.

Roger

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Roger - Thanks for that great suggestion!  It sure beats mixing...

Now that is using your imagination.



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Roger L Sopher <
rlsopher@c...> wrote:

> An easy way to spot digital prints (matte ones at least) is to print a
> step wedge on glossy paper using the same inset, curves etc. as the
> print to be spotted. Even when the ink drys it can be easily lifted with
> a moistened camel hair brush. The technique is virtually the same as
> with Spotone except glossy paper is used to hold the different densities
> of gray-black rather than a ceramic dish. The step wedge makes matching
> the densities pretty straight forward.
> 
> Roger
> 
> -- 
> _______________________
> 
> Roger L Sopher
> rlsopher@d...
> http://deCorrales.com
> _______________________

Super Idea!!

Thanks
Woody Spedden

--- Roger L Sopher <rlsopher@...> wrote:


---------------------------------
An easy way to spot digital prints (matte ones at
least) is to print a
step wedge on glossy paper using the same inset,
curves etc. as the
print to be spotted. Even when the ink drys it can be
easily lifted with
a moistened camel hair brush. The technique is
virtually the same as
with Spotone except glossy paper is used to hold the
different densities
of gray-black rather than a ceramic dish. The step
wedge makes matching
the densities pretty straight forward.

Roger

-- 
_______________________

Roger L Sopher
rlsopher@...
http://deCorrales.com
_______________________



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Thanks everybody for all the great input!

Louis