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2005-07-06 by wittenstein2001
Hi Am a newcomer to this group and to digital printing. Own an Epson 4000 on OSX. I want to make a print that has an antique/warm tone. Is there an equivalent to what darkroom papers would produce. I notice that Inkpress claims to have such a paper. Or is this warm tone best produced in Photoshop using filters, duotones? Any help appreciated. Barry
2005-07-06 by guy washburn
I have not tried Inkpress papers so I can't comment. Photoshop Filters/duotones are not really sucessfull at doing what you want. Instead I'd suggest using Roy Harrington's QTR with warm profiles on papers like Condor Natural, or Moab Entrada should give you what you are looking for. Clayton's paper chase article covers a few more you might want to try as well. Good luck! Guy --- wittenstein2001 <onedogwoof@...> wrote: > Hi > Am a newcomer to this group and to digital printing. > Own an Epson 4000 on OSX. > > I want to make a print that has an antique/warm > tone. Is there an equivalent to what > darkroom papers would produce. I notice that > Inkpress claims to have such a paper. Or is > this warm tone best produced in Photoshop using > filters, duotones? > > Any help appreciated. > > Barry > > > > > ____________________________________________________ Sell on Yahoo! Auctions \ufffd no fees. Bid on great items. http://auctions.yahoo.com/
2005-07-06 by Elwood Spedden
Barry
A good place to start is by reading Clayton Jones
material at http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm .
There is a good review of some papers relating to
Black and White printing.
Also you can use a RIP,(good low cost one is Quad Tone
RIP)for custom toning.
Finally, and excellent solution is using MIS UT7 black
ink set and Paul Roark's custome curves using that ink
set for various papers. Many people are getting really
fine results from this combination.
good luck
woody
--- wittenstein2001 <onedogwoof@...> wrote:
---------------------------------
Hi
Am a newcomer to this group and to digital printing.
Own an Epson 4000 on OSX.
I want to make a print that has an antique/warm tone.
Is there an equivalent to what
darkroom papers would produce. I notice that Inkpress
claims to have such a paper. Or is
this warm tone best produced in Photoshop using
filters, duotones?
Any help appreciated.
Barry
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---------------------------------2005-07-06 by Elwood Spedden
One more thing. Paul Roark's material is available at
http://www.PaulRoark.com. He also provides links to
the MIS site for purchase of inks if you decide to try
that route.
woody
--- wittenstein2001 <onedogwoof@...> wrote:
---------------------------------
Hi
Am a newcomer to this group and to digital printing.
Own an Epson 4000 on OSX.
I want to make a print that has an antique/warm tone.
Is there an equivalent to what
darkroom papers would produce. I notice that Inkpress
claims to have such a paper. Or is
this warm tone best produced in Photoshop using
filters, duotones?
Any help appreciated.
Barry
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---------------------------------2005-07-06 by Djon
My favorite paper for people pictures and anything else that's not harsh and moderne is Epson Entrada Natural. It's not whitened, warm white...like Kodak's excellent but little-known high-silver portrait papers. I use the heavy stuff, 300gsm, though I'm having my first print-jamming experience on my 2200 after two years, presumably having something to with the temperature (80deg indoors). 300gsm in 13X19 prints quite nicely from the top slot, but only if it's physically curved a very little in advance to reduce its stiffness. Entrada has been blamed for "flaking," but that was evidently a matter of some early lots that weren't dusted well before packaging...I always blow air on each sheet for that reason and only saw "flaking" before I started that. --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Elwood Spedden <elwood@w...> wrote:
> One more thing. Paul Roark's material is available at > http://www.PaulRoark.com. He also provides links to > the MIS site for purchase of inks if you decide to try > that route. > > woody > > --- wittenstein2001 <onedogwoof@n...> wrote: > > > --------------------------------- > Hi > Am a newcomer to this group and to digital printing. > Own an Epson 4000 on OSX. > > I want to make a print that has an antique/warm tone. > Is there an equivalent to what > darkroom papers would produce. I notice that Inkpress > claims to have such a paper. Or is > this warm tone best produced in Photoshop using > filters, duotones? > > Any help appreciated. > > Barry > > >
2005-07-06 by guy washburn
Actually Entrada is made by Moab. Guy --- Djon <westsidemaurice@...> wrote: > My favorite paper for people pictures and anything > else that's not > harsh and moderne is Epson Entrada Natural. It's not > whitened, warm > white...like Kodak's excellent but little-known > high-silver portrait > papers. > > I use the heavy stuff, 300gsm, though I'm having my > first > print-jamming experience on my 2200 after two years, > presumably having > something to with the temperature (80deg indoors). > 300gsm in 13X19 > prints quite nicely from the top slot, but only if > it's physically > curved a very little in advance to reduce its > stiffness. Entrada has > been blamed for "flaking," but that was evidently a > matter of some > early lots that weren't dusted well before > packaging...I always blow > air on each sheet for that reason and only saw > "flaking" before I > started that. > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, > Elwood Spedden > <elwood@w...> wrote: > > One more thing. Paul Roark's material is available > at > > http://www.PaulRoark.com. He also provides links > to > > the MIS site for purchase of inks if you decide to > try > > that route. > > > > woody > > > > --- wittenstein2001 <onedogwoof@n...> wrote: > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Hi > > Am a newcomer to this group and to digital > printing. > > Own an Epson 4000 on OSX. > > > > I want to make a print that has an antique/warm > tone. > > Is there an equivalent to what > > darkroom papers would produce. I notice that > Inkpress > > claims to have such a paper. Or is > > this warm tone best produced in Photoshop using > > filters, duotones? > > > > Any help appreciated. > > > > Barry > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
2005-07-06 by Djon
Right, I goofed. Entrada's a Moab paper, available whitened or "Natural". Moab also makes Kokopelli, an exceptionally OK high gloss (if you need that...works well with QTR, toned warm) and a spin on Epson Enhanced Matte, Kayenta, which I like because of the folded card stock. --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, guy washburn <guido02474@y...> wrote:
> Actually Entrada is made by Moab. > > Guy > > --- Djon <westsidemaurice@y...> wrote: > > > My favorite paper for people pictures and anything > > else that's not > > harsh and moderne is Epson Entrada Natural. It's not > > whitened, warm > > white...like Kodak's excellent but little-known > > high-silver portrait > > papers. > > > > I use the heavy stuff, 300gsm, though I'm having my > > first > > print-jamming experience on my 2200 after two years, > > presumably having > > something to with the temperature (80deg indoors). > > 300gsm in 13X19 > > prints quite nicely from the top slot, but only if > > it's physically > > curved a very little in advance to reduce its > > stiffness. Entrada has > > been blamed for "flaking," but that was evidently a > > matter of some > > early lots that weren't dusted well before > > packaging...I always blow > > air on each sheet for that reason and only saw > > "flaking" before I > > started that. > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, > > Elwood Spedden > > <elwood@w...> wrote: > > > One more thing. Paul Roark's material is available > > at > > > http://www.PaulRoark.com. He also provides links > > to > > > the MIS site for purchase of inks if you decide to > > try > > > that route. > > > > > > woody > > > > > > --- wittenstein2001 <onedogwoof@n...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Hi > > > Am a newcomer to this group and to digital > > printing. > > > Own an Epson 4000 on OSX. > > > > > > I want to make a print that has an antique/warm > > tone. > > > Is there an equivalent to what > > > darkroom papers would produce. I notice that > > Inkpress > > > claims to have such a paper. Or is > > > this warm tone best produced in Photoshop using > > > filters, duotones? > > > > > > Any help appreciated. > > > > > > Barry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com
2005-07-06 by Elwood Spedden
Moab papers, in general, are my favorites and I agree
with the comment about Entrada Natural. However they
also have an Entrada Bright White which is great for
certain images and particularly BO. Their Kokopelli
Gloss is my current favorite of all the gloss papers
and the Kokopelli Photo Satin is up there with Ilford
Satin. Altogether a very fine lineup
woody
--- guy washburn <guido02474@...> wrote:
---------------------------------
Actually Entrada is made by Moab.
Guy
--- Djon <westsidemaurice@...> wrote:
> My favorite paper for people pictures and anything
> else that's not
> harsh and moderne is Epson Entrada Natural. It's not
> whitened, warm
> white...like Kodak's excellent but little-known
> high-silver portrait
> papers.
>
> I use the heavy stuff, 300gsm, though I'm having my
> first
> print-jamming experience on my 2200 after two years,
> presumably having
> something to with the temperature (80deg indoors).
> 300gsm in 13X19
> prints quite nicely from the top slot, but only if
> it's physically
> curved a very little in advance to reduce its
> stiffness. Entrada has
> been blamed for "flaking," but that was evidently a
> matter of some
> early lots that weren't dusted well before
> packaging...I always blow
> air on each sheet for that reason and only saw
> "flaking" before I
> started that.
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com,
> Elwood Spedden
> <elwood@w...> wrote:
> > One more thing. Paul Roark's material is available
> at
> > http://www.PaulRoark.com. He also provides links
> to
> > the MIS site for purchase of inks if you decide to
> try
> > that route.
> >
> > woody
> >
> > --- wittenstein2001 <onedogwoof@n...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Hi
> > Am a newcomer to this group and to digital
> printing.
> > Own an Epson 4000 on OSX.
> >
> > I want to make a print that has an antique/warm
> tone.
> > Is there an equivalent to what
> > darkroom papers would produce. I notice that
> Inkpress
> > claims to have such a paper. Or is
> > this warm tone best produced in Photoshop using
> > filters, duotones?
> >
> > Any help appreciated.
> >
> > Barry
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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---------------------------------2005-07-07 by Antonis
Barry, there is antique and then there is really antique.... Hahnemuhle makes some nice papers that are warm-ish (such as German Etching) and that may be all you need. But if you need to go beyond that, and you are using OEM inks in the 4000, you can always tone the paper itself. Don't know how well a yellow/magenta tint will last, but it will give you all the control you need. For tinting the actual image, what you need is the right profile for QTR or OPM. No need to do an rgb workflow with the Epson driver - unless that offers a look you like. You start with a grayscale file and tint through the printing profile. Antonis --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "wittenstein2001" <onedogwoof@n...> wrote: > Hi > Am a newcomer to this group and to digital printing. Own an Epson 4000 on OSX. > > I want to make a print that has an antique/warm tone. Is there an equivalent to what > darkroom papers would produce. I notice that Inkpress claims to have such a paper. Or is
> this warm tone best produced in Photoshop using filters, duotones? > > Any help appreciated. > > Barry
2005-07-07 by Djon
I'll have to try the Satin...like you say, Moab's got a great lineup. I came across a shootout test of glossy papers in Photoshop User Magazine: Kokopelli Gloss was the champ, Vs a half dozen others. So I orered some..I wouldn't ordinarily want glossy paper ... QTR warm blend does a nice job of differently-colored selenium tone effect. The slight bronze is almost a positive. It's less attractive than matte (eg EEM) in color, IMO. -- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Elwood Spedden <elwood@w...> wrote:
> Moab papers, in general, are my favorites and I agree > with the comment about Entrada Natural. However they > also have an Entrada Bright White which is great for > certain images and particularly BO. Their Kokopelli > Gloss is my current favorite of all the gloss papers > and the Kokopelli Photo Satin is up there with Ilford > Satin. Altogether a very fine lineup > > woody > > --- guy washburn <guido02474@y...> wrote: > > > --------------------------------- > Actually Entrada is made by Moab. > > Guy > > --- Djon <westsidemaurice@y...> wrote: > > > My favorite paper for people pictures and anything > > else that's not > > harsh and moderne is Epson Entrada Natural. It's not > > whitened, warm > > white...like Kodak's excellent but little-known > > high-silver portrait > > papers. > > > > I use the heavy stuff, 300gsm, though I'm having my > > first > > print-jamming experience on my 2200 after two years, > > presumably having > > something to with the temperature (80deg indoors). > > 300gsm in 13X19 > > prints quite nicely from the top slot, but only if > > it's physically > > curved a very little in advance to reduce its > > stiffness. Entrada has > > been blamed for "flaking," but that was evidently a > > matter of some > > early lots that weren't dusted well before > > packaging...I always blow > > air on each sheet for that reason and only saw > > "flaking" before I > > started that. > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, > > Elwood Spedden > > <elwood@w...> wrote: > > > One more thing. Paul Roark's material is available > > at > > > http://www.PaulRoark.com. He also provides links > > to > > > the MIS site for purchase of inks if you decide to > > try > > > that route. > > > > > > woody > > > > > > --- wittenstein2001 <onedogwoof@n...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Hi > > > Am a newcomer to this group and to digital > > printing. > > > Own an Epson 4000 on OSX. > > > > > > I want to make a print that has an antique/warm > > tone. > > > Is there an equivalent to what > > > darkroom papers would produce. I notice that > > Inkpress > > > claims to have such a paper. Or is > > > this warm tone best produced in Photoshop using > > > filters, duotones? > > > > > > Any help appreciated. > > > > > > Barry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, > and other resources as they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily > digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your > Membership preferences by visiting this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of > earlier messages to keep them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal > attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or > argumentative users may be removed from the membership > without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group > topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently > make off-topic posts may be removed from the > membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the > group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the > actions and decisions of the group Owner and > Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in > the Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE > DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY > UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" > OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE > LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, > SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING > BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, > GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN > IF THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE > PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY > OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE > INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO > GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF > YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR > CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE > PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING > TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > > > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint" on > the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! > Terms of Service. > > > ---------------------------------