Digital BW, The Print

I'm thinking of giving my PC to my son and purchasing a Power Mac G5. 
Are there any tangible advantages of switching to Mac for image 
editing, processing and/or printing? I'm aware that Macintosh is 
prefered by the graphics industry but what are the advantages of one 
system versus the other? 

Comments? Opinions?

Please don't start this endless war of Mac vs PC again (again, again).
Thanks,
Mark

On Jul 6, 2005, at 7:28 PM, SteveZ wrote:

> I'm thinking of giving my PC to my son and purchasing a Power Mac G5.
> Are there any tangible advantages of switching to Mac for image
> editing, processing and/or printing? I'm aware that Macintosh is
> prefered by the graphics industry but what are the advantages of one
> system versus the other?
>
> Comments? Opinions?
>



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It's not a war, Mark, I'm just curious to know what people think on 
this forum. If you choose not respond, that is fine.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Mark Savoia 
<mark@c...> wrote:
> Please don't start this endless war of Mac vs PC again (again, 
again).
> Thanks,
> Mark
> 
> On Jul 6, 2005, at 7:28 PM, SteveZ wrote:
> 
> > I'm thinking of giving my PC to my son and purchasing a Power 
Mac G5.
> > Are there any tangible advantages of switching to Mac for image
> > editing, processing and/or printing? I'm aware that Macintosh is
> > prefered by the graphics industry but what are the advantages of 
one

> > system versus the other?
> >
> > Comments? Opinions?
> >
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

FWIW, I'm a Linux and PC/Windows user. My photog buddy up on NYC
is a Mac user (a laptop and a tower).

We talk over many issues (scanners, profiling, printing) and seem to 
have the
same problems and concerns, really.

That said, OS X is an elegant and powerful Unix based OS. But then, I'm 
partial
to Unix based operating systems and have a software engineering 
background :-)

My bro' has an MS in computer science and last year traded in his PC's 
for Mac
systems (yup, plural - geek chic).

OTOH, PC's give you a really wide choice in hardware vendors, and Windows
XP, while not my fave, is certainly no slouch.

Probably can't go wrong either way.

Scott

SteveZ wrote:

> It's not a war, Mark, I'm just curious to know what people think on
> this forum. If you choose not respond, that is fine.
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Mark Savoia
> <mark@c...> wrote:
> > Please don't start this endless war of Mac vs PC again (again,
> again).
> > Thanks,
> > Mark
> >
> > On Jul 6, 2005, at 7:28 PM, SteveZ wrote:
> >
> > > I'm thinking of giving my PC to my son and purchasing a Power
> Mac G5.
> > > Are there any tangible advantages of switching to Mac for image
> > > editing, processing and/or printing? I'm aware that Macintosh is
> > > prefered by the graphics industry but what are the advantages of
> one
> > > system versus the other?
> > >
> > > Comments? Opinions?
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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Mark Savoia wrote:

>Please don't start this endless war of Mac vs PC again (again, again).
>Thanks,
>Mark
>
>  
>
It really should not be an endless war and it should not be off limits - 
it just needs to be approached properly. The H/W platform is just as 
important as the image processing S/W, RIPs, inks and papers. The 
computer is integral to the whole process - it's the computer people use 
for editing and it's the computer that feeds the printer.

This is especially true for new people getting started. To some extent 
the Mac had much of it's evolution in the image - particularly video - 
processing world and there may be some advantages to it's architecture 
and/or GUI. On the other hand the PC has much more support, however, 
with Apple transition to the use of the Intel processor this may not be 
an issue in the future.

The topic is valid - it just needs to be civil and based on facts, 
validated performance data - not fear, superstition and emotion.

Cheers,
Truman

-- 

"If you want to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first create 
the universe."

- Carl Sagan

Well, not a war (overstated, my apologies), but we have been through  
this so many times. Just watch what happens. :)
Mark

On Jul 6, 2005, at 7:41 PM, SteveZ wrote:

> It's not a war, Mark, I'm just curious to know what people think on
> this forum. If you choose not respond, that is fine.
>



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

If you really want to know, search the archives. It's been discussed 
endlessly. No conclusion is ever reached. It is, in fact, and endless 
religious war.
--
Bruce Watson


SteveZ wrote:

> It's not a war, Mark, I'm just curious to know what people think on
> this forum. If you choose not respond, that is fine.
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Mark Savoia
> <mark@c...> wrote:
> > Please don't start this endless war of Mac vs PC again (again,
> again).
> > Thanks,
> > Mark
> >
>

> advantages to it's architecture and/or GUI. On the other hand 
> the PC has much more support, however, with Apple transition 
> to the use of the Intel processor this may not be an issue in 
> the future.

	I am also faced with a computer upgrade (the need for four gb of ram
is becoming evident).  I remember reading, I think, when I upgraded to CS
that it was "native" to XP.  I never followed up on what that meant (didn't
care at the time).  However, the sound of that plus Apple transiting to the
Intel chip seems to indicate there is not much difference between the two
platforms. I know the Apples have a RAID array, but I can get those pretty
cheaply for the PC also.  Most all my printing is b&w, but it is almost all
RGB/16-bit files, so large file sizes (at least for me -largest is about
500mb).  If there was an advantage to the Apple, I would consider it and the
cost of switching Photoshop, ImagePrint and so forth.  But I'm not clear
what that advantage is now (I've never used a Mac).

	I understand this topic is flame material and probably OT, so please
feel free to respond off-list if you have the time or inclination.  Don't
want to clutter up the list, just curious since a $$$$ outlay appears in the
future either way.  I used to think the Mac was out of the picture since I
would have to have two computers, but now I have a VPN and wireless for my
laptop, so that's not an issue.  I'm sure this is a list where there would
be lots of experience both ways.  

Regards,

Ken Carney
www.kencarney.com

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "SteveZ"
<blizzie12@y...> wrote:
> I'm thinking of giving my PC to my son and purchasing a Power Mac G5. 
> Are there any tangible advantages of switching to Mac for image 
> editing, processing and/or printing? I'm aware that Macintosh is 
> prefered by the graphics industry but what are the advantages of one 
> system versus the other? 
> 
> Comments? Opinions?

Yes, I have one of both (i.e., a comment and an opinion): my
curmudgeonly comment is that this very topic has been discussed to
death both in this group and possibly everywhere else on the Internet.
So I sincerely hope we can avoid a potentially (or invariably?)
devisive, open-ended and off-topic "poll". Instead, couldn't you
formulate one or more _specific_ questions pertaining to the influence
of operating system on B&W printing? You could begin by telling _us_
what software and printer(s) are you using currently for your B&W
"image editing, processing and/or printing". And what might you plan
(or want) to use in the near future? Would these choices be equally
useable/useful after switching systems? Much of that you could answer
for yourself quite possibly.

My opinion (admittedly rather Mac-centric, but I hope unclouded by
emotion) is that the one-time Mac advantage (to which you alluded) has
pretty much been minimized; so you'll find that the decision about
switching systems comes down to your perceptions of subtle differences
(some not-so-subtle) in things like the operating system "refinement",
ease-of-use and color-management-awareness. But don't take anyone
else's word for which--Mac or Windows-- has the "edge". Beyond those
issues, the decision between using Mac or Windows for editing/printing
might actually be based on something as trivial-seeming as the
unavailability (for Macintosh) of the application QImage . If you
happen to be one of those individuals who has become "hooked" on using
certain unique features of QImage, that's not a trivial situation,
since there's no fully equivalent Mac app. But if you can live without
QI (or some other Windows-only application), then perhaps you can rent
(or borrow) a Mac for a few weeks and decide whether or not you prefer
the "feel" of it.

Oh yeh, and what about the rest of your life (the part not involved
with image editing and printing)? Are your important day-to-day
applications satisfied on both platforms (same or equivalent apps)?

Phil

Thanks, Truman, well said.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Truman Prevatt 
<tprevatt@m...> wrote:
> Mark Savoia wrote:
> 
> >Please don't start this endless war of Mac vs PC again (again, 
again).
> >Thanks,
> >Mark
> >
> >  
> >
> It really should not be an endless war and it should not be off 
limits - 
> it just needs to be approached properly. The H/W platform is just 
as 
> important as the image processing S/W, RIPs, inks and papers. The 
> computer is integral to the whole process - it's the computer 
people use 
> for editing and it's the computer that feeds the printer.
> 
> This is especially true for new people getting started. To some 
extent 
> the Mac had much of it's evolution in the image - particularly 
video - 
> processing world and there may be some advantages to it's 
architecture 
> and/or GUI. On the other hand the PC has much more support, 
however, 
> with Apple transition to the use of the Intel processor this may 
not be 
> an issue in the future.
> 
> The topic is valid - it just needs to be civil and based on facts, 
> validated performance data - not fear, superstition and emotion.
> 
> Cheers,
> Truman
> 
> -- 
> 
> "If you want to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first 
create 

> the universe."
> 
> - Carl Sagan

I use both OS.  Minor differences for me.  Somehow the integration of
hardware and OS (but more $) on the Mac gives it a slight advantage, maybe,
for me.  J Vee
> 
>       I am also faced with a computer upgrade (the need for four gb of ram
> is becoming evident).  I remember reading, I think, when I upgraded to CS
> that it was "native" to XP.  I never followed up on what that meant (didn't
> care at the time).  However, the sound of that plus Apple transiting to the
> Intel chip seems to indicate there is not much difference between the two
> platforms. I know the Apples have a RAID array, but I can get those pretty
> cheaply for the PC also.  Most all my printing is b&w, but it is almost all
> RGB/16-bit files, so large file sizes (at least for me -largest is about
> 500mb).  If there was an advantage to the Apple, I would consider it and the
> cost of switching Photoshop, ImagePrint and so forth.  But I'm not clear
> what that advantage is now (I've never used a Mac).
> 



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> what are the advantages of one
>> system versus the other?



If you don't have much of an opinion one way or the other then toss a  
coin, stick with the choice and if you ever find yourself wondering if the  
grass is greener..... you need to be taking more photographs; it's a great  
antidote to platform-anxiety.

If you do have an opinion then trust it (and yourself) and go with it.

Andy