Digital BW, The Print

> From: Elwood Spedden <elwood@...>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 13:29:17 -0700 (PDT)
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Imageprint RIP/2200/2400
> 
> Imageprint is probably the best and easiest way to get
> neutral B+W prints for a wide variety of papers. It is
> expensive, and QTR is a much less expensive approach
> but imageprint is remarkable in its ease of use and
> overall image quality. BO is another option you have
> if you get the 2200 and is not supported for the 2400.
> 
> woody spedden

> From: Elwood Spedden <elwood@...>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 13:47:33 -0700 (PDT)
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Imageprint RIP/2200/2400
> 
> Steve
> 
> I am scheduled to receive a new epson 4990 this week
> and will get you a scanned imageprint so you can
> experiement.
> 
> woody

> -----Original Message-----
> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of bradley_w01
> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 11:17 AM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Imageprint RIP/2200/2400
> 
> I'm pretty new to digital b/w printing and have been 
> experimenting with 1280 and BO, but am feeling like it's time 
> to invest and branch out.  That said, I don't really have 
> much patience for tinkering.  
> 
> So, the price of a used 2200 + Imageprint is pretty close to 
> that for a new 2400.  Given my lack of patience, I'm 
> wondering if the RIP is a better option for me.
>  2400 samples are easy to
> come by, but not so much prints from the 2200+RIP.  
> 
> I guess I'm soliciting opinions on output from the latter 
> combo and also the plusses and minuses of each option.  Thx - brad
> 
> 
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From: "Elwood Spedden" <elwood@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Imageprint RIP/2200/2400


> Steve
>
> One more thing. I printed both the imageprint file of
> Roy's 21 step wedge using both QTR and imageprint. I
> used epson semigloss because QTR already has curves
> for it. I used the warm and cool curves and set the
> blend to 50%. I believe this should result in the most
> neutral situation for QTR but if I am wrong, please
> let me know. I am just beginning to use QTR so I am a
> long way from expert.
>
> As an aside, the measured dmax for the QTR print was
> 2.12 and for the imageprint was 2.26!
>
> Regards
> Woody
>
> --- Elwood Spedden <elwood@...> wrote:
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Steve
>
> I am scheduled to receive a new epson 4990 this week
> and will get you a scanned imageprint so you can
> experiement.
>
> woody
>
> --- Steve Kale <stevekale@...> wrote:
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> I would love to see a high resolution scan of a
> "neutral" step wedge from IP
> and a 21/2200.  What colours are used?
>
>
>> From: Elwood Spedden <elwood@...>
>> Reply-To:
> <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
>> Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 13:29:17 -0700 (PDT)
>> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Imageprint RIP/2200/2400
>>
>> Imageprint is probably the best and easiest way to
> get
>> neutral B+W prints for a wide variety of papers. It
> is
>> expensive, and QTR is a much less expensive approach
>> but imageprint is remarkable in its ease of use and
>> overall image quality. BO is another option you have
>> if you get the 2200 and is not supported for the
> 2400.
>>
>> woody spedden
>
>
>
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elwood Spedden" <elwood@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Imageprint RIP/2200/2400


> Steve
>
> One more thing. I printed both the imageprint file
of
> Roy's 21 step wedge using both QTR and imageprint. I
> used epson semigloss because QTR already has curves
> for it. I used the warm and cool curves and set the
> blend to 50%. I believe this should result in the
most
> neutral situation for QTR but if I am wrong, please
> let me know. I am just beginning to use QTR so I am
a
> long way from expert.
>
> As an aside, the measured dmax for the QTR print was
> 2.12 and for the imageprint was 2.26!
>
> Regards
> Woody
>
> --- Elwood Spedden <elwood@...> wrote:
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Steve
>
> I am scheduled to receive a new epson 4990 this week
> and will get you a scanned imageprint so you can
> experiement.
>
> woody
>
> --- Steve Kale <stevekale@...> wrote:
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> I would love to see a high resolution scan of a
> "neutral" step wedge from IP
> and a 21/2200.  What colours are used?
>
>
>> From: Elwood Spedden <elwood@...>
>> Reply-To:
> <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
>> Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 13:29:17 -0700 (PDT)
>> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Imageprint RIP/2200/2400
>>
>> Imageprint is probably the best and easiest way to
> get
>> neutral B+W prints for a wide variety of papers. It
> is
>> expensive, and QTR is a much less expensive
approach
>> but imageprint is remarkable in its ease of use and
>> overall image quality. BO is another option you
have
>> if you get the 2200 and is not supported for the
> 2400.
>>
>> woody spedden
>
>
>
>
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From: "Elwood Spedden" <elwood@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 5:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Imageprint RIP/2200/2400


> No
>
> I only have a 2200. I haven't decided if, without BO
> printing, the 2400 is a real advantage for me,
> particularly since I have both Imageprint and QTR for
> black and white printing.
>
> woody
>
> --- Gary Brown <baffin@...> wrote:
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Did you use QTR with a 2400?
>
> Gary
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Elwood Spedden" <elwood@...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 3:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Imageprint RIP/2200/2400
>
>
>> Steve
>>
>> One more thing. I printed both the imageprint file
> of
>> Roy's 21 step wedge using both QTR and imageprint. I
>> used epson semigloss because QTR already has curves
>> for it. I used the warm and cool curves and set the
>> blend to 50%. I believe this should result in the
> most
>> neutral situation for QTR but if I am wrong, please
>> let me know. I am just beginning to use QTR so I am
> a
>> long way from expert.
>>
>> As an aside, the measured dmax for the QTR print was
>> 2.12 and for the imageprint was 2.26!
>>
>> Regards
>> Woody
>>
>> --- Elwood Spedden <elwood@...> wrote:
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------
>> Steve
>>
>> I am scheduled to receive a new epson 4990 this week
>> and will get you a scanned imageprint so you can
>> experiement.
>>
>> woody
>>
>> --- Steve Kale <stevekale@...> wrote:
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------
>> I would love to see a high resolution scan of a
>> "neutral" step wedge from IP
>> and a 21/2200.  What colours are used?
>>
>>
>>> From: Elwood Spedden <elwood@...>
>>> Reply-To:
>> <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
>>> Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 13:29:17 -0700 (PDT)
>>> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Imageprint RIP/2200/2400
>>>
>>> Imageprint is probably the best and easiest way to
>> get
>>> neutral B+W prints for a wide variety of papers. It
>> is
>>> expensive, and QTR is a much less expensive
> approach
>>> but imageprint is remarkable in its ease of use and
>>> overall image quality. BO is another option you
> have
>>> if you get the 2200 and is not supported for the
>> 2400.
>>>
>>> woody spedden
>>
>>
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> I do have a 2400, and want to know if QTR works with it.
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> Gary

> From: Elwood Spedden <elwood@...>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 17:46:36 -0700 (PDT)
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Imageprint RIP/2200/2400
> 
> No
> 
> I only have a 2200. I haven't decided if, without BO
> printing, the 2400 is a real advantage for me,
> particularly since I have both Imageprint and QTR for
> black and white printing.
> 
> woody
>

---- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elwood Spedden" <elwood@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 5:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Imageprint RIP/2200/2400


> No
>
> I only have a 2200. I haven't decided if, without BO
> printing, the 2400 is a real advantage for me,
> particularly since I have both Imageprint and QTR
for
> black and white printing.
>
> woody
>
> --- Gary Brown <baffin@...> wrote:
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Did you use QTR with a 2400?
>
> Gary
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Elwood Spedden" <elwood@...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 3:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Imageprint RIP/2200/2400
>
>
>> Steve
>>
>> One more thing. I printed both the imageprint file
> of
>> Roy's 21 step wedge using both QTR and imageprint.
I
>> used epson semigloss because QTR already has curves
>> for it. I used the warm and cool curves and set the
>> blend to 50%. I believe this should result in the
> most
>> neutral situation for QTR but if I am wrong, please
>> let me know. I am just beginning to use QTR so I am
> a
>> long way from expert.
>>
>> As an aside, the measured dmax for the QTR print
was
>> 2.12 and for the imageprint was 2.26!
>>
>> Regards
>> Woody
>>
>> --- Elwood Spedden <elwood@...> wrote:
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------
>> Steve
>>
>> I am scheduled to receive a new epson 4990 this
week
>> and will get you a scanned imageprint so you can
>> experiement.
>>
>> woody
>>
>> --- Steve Kale <stevekale@...> wrote:
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------
>> I would love to see a high resolution scan of a
>> "neutral" step wedge from IP
>> and a 21/2200.  What colours are used?
>>
>>
>>> From: Elwood Spedden <elwood@...>
>>> Reply-To:
>> <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
>>> Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 13:29:17 -0700 (PDT)
>>> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Imageprint RIP/2200/2400
>>>
>>> Imageprint is probably the best and easiest way to
>> get
>>> neutral B+W prints for a wide variety of papers.
It
>> is
>>> expensive, and QTR is a much less expensive
> approach
>>> but imageprint is remarkable in its ease of use
and
>>> overall image quality. BO is another option you
> have
>>> if you get the 2200 and is not supported for the
>> 2400.
>>>
>>> woody spedden
>>
>>
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> From: Elwood Spedden <elwood@...>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 15:15:32 -0700 (PDT)
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Imageprint RIP/2200/2400
> 
> Steve
> 
> I have scanned the appropriate 21 step wedges so that
> the comparison you wished to see can be made.
> 
> I am new to the forum so I am not sure how to proceed.
> I don't have my personal website up yet and I am not
> sure if I will screw up the forum by attaching a 1mb
> file? How do you suggest we proceed?
> 
> woody