Yahoo Groups archive

Digital BW, The Print

Index last updated: 2026-04-28 22:56 UTC

Thread

Finest grain film and also Infra-Red

Finest grain film and also Infra-Red

2005-07-08 by Richard Smallfield

Hi,
what with the demise of Tech Pan and APX 25, I wondered what people think the finest grained film is. I love the optics of 35mm cameras and would like to still be able to shoot something like APX 25 if it existed.

I think the finest grained films are Delta 100 or maybe Pan F Plus. But how about Velvia desaturated? Or what about the small makers - are there any emulsion made for example in Eastern Europe that are filling the gap in slow films that digital has left?

Secondly I'd be interested in people thought about shooting infra-red in digital as opposed to Kodak High Speed Infrared film.

You have to use a mighty slow exposure to shoot through an Infrared filter - though this is useful when one wants a slow exposure. And grass, for example, can become totally washed out and devoid of any detail. I have not got the results shooting digitally that I see in my Charlie Waite book. (BTW, if anyone has not seen his work, try Googleing him - he's one of the best.)

I eagerly await your thoughts.

Thanks in advance,
Richard
--
Portraiture and Location Photography
http://smallfield.vze.com
http://photos.smallfield.vze.com

   "Some cause happiness wherever they go; others, 
   whenever they go." 
   --Oscar Wilde (1854-1900)

Re: [Digital BW] Finest grain film and also Infra-Red

2005-07-08 by Scott McLoughlin

Efke 25?

http://www.dr5.com/efke25.html
http://www.jandcphotography.com/

I've been shooting some Delta 100 lately and, well, so far so good.

Scott

Richard Smallfield wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> Hi,
> what with the demise of Tech Pan and APX 25, I wondered what people 
> think the finest grained film is. I love the optics of 35mm cameras 
> and would like to still be able to shoot something like APX 25 if it 
> existed.
>
> I think the finest grained films are Delta 100 or maybe Pan F Plus. 
> But how about Velvia desaturated? Or what about the small makers - are 
> there any emulsion made for example in Eastern Europe that are filling 
> the gap in slow films that digital has left?
>
> Secondly I'd be interested in people thought about shooting infra-red 
> in digital as opposed to Kodak High Speed Infrared film.
>
> You have to use a mighty slow exposure to shoot through an Infrared 
> filter - though this is useful when one wants a slow exposure. And 
> grass, for example, can become totally washed out and devoid of any 
> detail. I have not got the results shooting digitally that I see in my 
> Charlie Waite book. (BTW, if anyone has not seen his work, try 
> Googleing him - he's one of the best.)
>
> I eagerly await your thoughts.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Richard
> --
> Portraiture and Location Photography
> http://smallfield.vze.com
> http://photos.smallfield.vze.com
>
> "Some cause happiness wherever they go; others,
> whenever they go."
> --Oscar Wilde (1854-1900)
>
>
>
> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other 
> resources as they are often being updated.
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
>
> If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish 
> to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting 
> this same page.
>
> Please follow these basic guidelines:
> - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to 
> keep them short.
> - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or 
> flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from 
> the membership without notice.
> - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital 
> B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be 
> removed from the membership.
> - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and 
> guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group 
> Owner and Moderators. See \ufffdGroup Topic, Rules and Guidelines\ufffd in the 
> Files section:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/
>
> BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE 
> PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE \ufffdOWNER\ufffd 
> AND \ufffdMODERATORS\ufffd OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE 
> LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, 
> CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, 
> DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE 
> LOSSES (EVEN IF THE \ufffdOWNER\ufffd AND \ufffdMODERATORS\ufffd OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT 
> YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), 
> RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, 
> THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF 
> YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD 
> PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER 
> MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS
>
>     * Visit your group "DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
>       <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint>" on
>       the web.
>     * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
>       DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>       <mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe>
>     * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
>       Service <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>.
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>

Re: [Digital BW] Finest grain film and also Infra-Red

2005-07-08 by Mark Savoia

Fuji Acros 100

On Jul 8, 2005, at 4:52 AM, Richard Smallfield wrote:

> Hi,
> what with the demise of Tech Pan and APX 25, I wondered what people  
> think the finest grained film is. I love the optics of 35mm cameras  
> and would like to still be able to shoot something like APX 25 if  
> it existed.
>



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Re: [Digital BW] Finest grain film and also Infra-Red

2005-07-08 by Ernst Dinkla

Scott McLoughlin wrote:

>  
>
>>Hi,
>>what with the demise of Tech Pan and APX 25, I wondered what people 
>>think the finest grained film is. I love the optics of 35mm cameras 
>>and would like to still be able to shoot something like APX 25 if it 
>>existed.
>>
>>I think the finest grained films are Delta 100 or maybe Pan F Plus. 
>>But how about Velvia desaturated? Or what about the small makers - are 
>>there any emulsion made for example in Eastern Europe that are filling 
>>the gap in slow films that digital has left?
>>
>>Secondly I'd be interested in people thought about shooting infra-red 
>>in digital as opposed to Kodak High Speed Infrared film.
>>
>>You have to use a mighty slow exposure to shoot through an Infrared 
>>filter - though this is useful when one wants a slow exposure. And 
>>grass, for example, can become totally washed out and devoid of any 
>>detail. I have not got the results shooting digitally that I see in my 
>>Charlie Waite book. (BTW, if anyone has not seen his work, try 
>>Googleing him - he's one of the best.)
>>
>>I eagerly await your thoughts.
>>
>>Thanks in advance,
>>Richard
>>-
>>
It's a German PDF but this one contains a lot of what already may be 
obsolete at other places:

http://www.fotoimpex.de/catalogus_novus_impexus.pdf

http://www.jandcphotography.com/

is the American agent for many of the items mentioned in the PDF, there 
are differences though and they have less in their list.

Ernst

Re: Finest grain film and also Infra-Red

2005-07-08 by koloshor

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Richard
Smallfield <r.smallfield@p...> wrote:
> Hi,
> what with the demise of Tech Pan and APX 25, I wondered what people
think the finest grained film is. I love the optics of 35mm cameras
and would like to still be able to shoot something like APX 25 if it
existed.
> 
> I think the finest grained films are Delta 100 or maybe Pan F Plus.
But how about Velvia desaturated? Or what about the small makers - are
there any emulsion made for example in Eastern Europe that are filling
the gap in slow films that digital has left?

BlueFire...

http://www.adox.net/Products.htm

They call it "the new Tech Pan".

> Secondly I'd be interested in people thought about shooting
infra-red in digital as opposed to Kodak High Speed Infrared film.
> 
> You have to use a mighty slow exposure to shoot through an Infrared
filter - though this is useful when one wants a slow exposure. And
grass, for example, can become totally washed out and devoid of any
detail. I have not got the results shooting digitally that I see in my
Charlie Waite book. (BTW, if anyone has not seen his work, try
Googleing him - he's one of the best.)

Not familiar with Charlie Waite. 

The big problem is that most of the "IR look" that we all know and
love from our film days has nothing to do with the IR itself. It has
to do with the lack of an anti-halation layer on Kodak HIR. This
pretty much doubled the film's sensitivity, but also gave it the
"glow" that people came to associate with IR photography. And the
grain. So the "IR look" isn't just white foliage and dark skies, it's
grainy, glowing foliage.

Digital IR records everything with smoothness and cruel sharpness. You
need some shopping to get the whole HIR look...

RE: [Digital BW] Re: Finest grain film and also Infra-Red

2005-07-08 by Chris Aitken

> The big problem is that most of the "IR look" that we all 
> know and love from our film days has nothing to do with the 
> IR itself. It has to do with the lack of an anti-halation 
> layer on Kodak HIR. This pretty much doubled the film's 
> sensitivity, but also gave it the "glow" that people came to 
> associate with IR photography. And the grain. So the "IR 
> look" isn't just white foliage and dark skies, it's grainy, 
> glowing foliage.

I recently shot a roll of Maco IR820c, an 100 speed IR film. They also do a
version called Aura, which comes without the antihalation backing. So you
have your choice.


-- 
This message has been scanned for viruses and
dangerous content by MailScanner, and is
believed to be clean.

RE: [Digital BW] Re: Finest grain film and also Infra-Red

2005-07-08 by Richard Smallfield

Hi,
thanks a lot. I'll have to try doing it with film ... next stop, purchasing a changing bag. More money spent!!!

Richard

At 01:54 AM Saturday 7/9/2005, you wrote:
>> The big problem is that most of the "IR look" that we all 
>> know and love from our film days has nothing to do with the 
>> IR itself. It has to do with the lack of an anti-halation 
>> layer on Kodak HIR. This pretty much doubled the film's 
>> sensitivity, but also gave it the "glow" that people came to 
>> associate with IR photography. And the grain. So the "IR 
>> look" isn't just white foliage and dark skies, it's grainy, 
>> glowing foliage.
>
>I recently shot a roll of Maco IR820c, an 100 speed IR film. They also do a
>version called Aura, which comes without the antihalation backing. So you
>have your choice.

--
Portraiture and Location Photography
http://smallfield.vze.com
http://photos.smallfield.vze.com

   "Our chief want is someone who will inspire us to be what 
   we know we could be."
   --Ralph Waldo Emerson, writer and philosopher (1803-1882)

Re: [Digital BW] Re: Finest grain film and also Infra-Red

2005-07-08 by Richard Smallfield

At 01:42 AM Saturday 7/9/2005, you wrote:
>are there any emulsion made for example in Eastern Europe that 
>are filling the gap in slow films that digital has left?
>
>BlueFire... http://www.adox.net/Products.htm

Hi,
thanks for that. I have just gone online and ordered ten rolls of Efke, however, so that's what I'll be trialing first.

Thanks everyone for your suggestions,
Richard

--
Portraiture and Location Photography
http://smallfield.vze.com
http://photos.smallfield.vze.com

   "Our chief want is someone who will inspire us to be what 
   we know we could be."
   --Ralph Waldo Emerson, writer and philosopher (1803-1882)

RE: [Digital BW] Finest grain film and also Infra-Red

2005-07-08 by Paul Roark

> what with the demise of Tech Pan and APX 25, I wondered what people think
> the finest grained film is. ...

I've tested them all and find none better than the old Tmax I still have.
Unfortunately, I've found my old Tmax 100 negatives are grainier than I'd
like.  Thus my digital experiments ...

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

RE: [Digital BW] Finest grain film and also Infra-Red

2005-07-08 by Richard Smallfield

At 03:48 AM Saturday 7/9/2005, you wrote:
>I've tested them all and find none better than the old Tmax I still have.

Hi Paul,
Thanks for your reply. 

How did the Delta 100 fare when compared with the TMax? I've had trouble with excessive loss of highlight and shadow detail with TMax 100, but have also had some lovely results. 

I believe TMax has a straighter curve than most films and is thus less forgiving than others.

But I can't wait to give the Efke 25 a go!

best wishes,
Richard 
--
Portraiture and Location Photography
http://smallfield.vze.com
http://photos.smallfield.vze.com

   "What is a cynic? A man who knows the price of everything 
   and the value of nothing."
   --Oscar Wilde

Re: [Digital BW] Finest grain film and also Infra-Red

2005-07-08 by edrudolpho

Pauk, your tests have included Efke?

Ed

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@v...> 
wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> > what with the demise of Tech Pan and APX 25, I wondered what people think
> > the finest grained film is. ...
> 
> I've tested them all and find none better than the old Tmax I still have.
> Unfortunately, I've found my old Tmax 100 negatives are grainier than I'd
> like.  Thus my digital experiments ...
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com

RE: [Digital BW] Finest grain film and also Infra-Red

2005-07-08 by Paul Roark

Richard,

Delta and Acros are fine films, but I just did not find them better than the
Tmax 100 I have in terms of grain or sharpness.  

However, note that my testing was with the old Tmax 100 before Kodak put all
its B&W films on the same production machine.  I think the new one is very
close, but it may be that they've lost a bit of ground.

I think the "advanced" grain films are essentially the same.  Factors like
which film had the base you like, is more readily available in your market,
or is most likely to survive might be more important than the differences in
the film grain among the 100 ISO "advanced" or "T" grain films.  

The curves may differ a bit, and that may be a good reason some will prefer
one to another.

Developers can make a major difference in how the films look also.
Unfortunately, I've never found any developer with any of the films that
will probably be in production in a few years that can match TP or the
digital smoothness I'm seeing.

If I get totally discouraged by the digital flaws, a staining developer
would be the next thing I'd explore for roll film.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard
> Smallfield
> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 8:07 AM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Finest grain film and also Infra-Red
> 
> At 03:48 AM Saturday 7/9/2005, you wrote:
> >I've tested them all and find none better than the old Tmax I still have.
> 
> Hi Paul,
> Thanks for your reply.
> 
> How did the Delta 100 fare when compared with the TMax? I've had trouble
> with excessive loss of highlight and shadow detail with TMax 100, but have
> also had some lovely results.
> 
> I believe TMax has a straighter curve than most films and is thus less
> forgiving than others.
> 
> But I can't wait to give the Efke 25 a go!
> 
> best wishes,
> Richard
> --
> Portraiture and Location Photography
> http://smallfield.vze.com
> http://photos.smallfield.vze.com
> 
>    "What is a cynic? A man who knows the price of everything
>    and the value of nothing."
>    --Oscar Wilde
> 
> 
> 
> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as
> they are often being updated.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
> 
> If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to
> unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same
> page.
> 
> Please follow these basic guidelines:
> - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep
> them short.
> - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames.
> Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the
> membership without notice.
> - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W
> printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from
> the membership.
> - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and
> guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner
> and Moderators. See Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines in the Files
> section:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/
> 
> BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT
> YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE OWNER AND
> MODERATORS OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO
> YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR
> EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF
> PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE
> OWNER AND MODERATORS OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN
> ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE
> OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii)
> UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii)
> STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT
> YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE
> PRINT YAHOO GROUP.
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 
> 
>

RE: [Digital BW] Finest grain film and also Infra-Red

2005-07-08 by Paul Roark

No, I have not used Efke.  I guess I was discouraged due to some reviews
that mentioned quality control issues.  

Also, I don't like the old films with bad reciprocity failure.  I actually
stopped using Agfa 25 in favor of Tmax 100 due to the reciprocity problem.

But, it may be that some of these re-cycled films are not bad choices as the
best of the old guard fall.  Maybe in the old East block (or China) the
economies will be such that there will be continued production of films that
would not be profitable in Japan or the wealthier western economies.  I do
hope there is a niche that is large enough to support them.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> edrudolpho
> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 8:43 AM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Finest grain film and also Infra-Red
> 
> Pauk, your tests have included Efke?
> 
> Ed
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
> <paul.roark@v...>
> wrote:
> > > what with the demise of Tech Pan and APX 25, I wondered what people
> think
> > > the finest grained film is. ...
> >
> > I've tested them all and find none better than the old Tmax I still
> have.
> > Unfortunately, I've found my old Tmax 100 negatives are grainier than
> I'd
> > like.  Thus my digital experiments ...
> >
> > Paul
> > www.PaulRoark.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as
> they are often being updated.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
> 
> If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to
> unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same
> page.
> 
> Please follow these basic guidelines:
> - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep
> them short.
> - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames.
> Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the
> membership without notice.
> - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W
> printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from
> the membership.
> - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and
> guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner
> and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files
> section:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/
> 
> BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT
> YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND
> "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO
> YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR
> EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF
> PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE
> "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN
> ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE
> OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii)
> UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii)
> STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT
> YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE
> PRINT YAHOO GROUP.
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 
> 
>

Re: [Digital BW] Finest grain film and also Infra-Red

2005-07-08 by dickboschloo

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Ernst Dinkla 
<E.Dinkla@c...> wrote:
> Scott McLoughlin wrote:
> 
> >  
> >
> >>Hi,
> >>what with the demise of Tech Pan and APX 25, I wondered what 
people 
> >>think the finest grained film is. I love the optics of 35mm 
cameras 
> >>and would like to still be able to shoot something like APX 25 if 
it 
> >>existed.
> >>
> >>


> It's a German PDF but this one contains a lot of what already may 
be 
> obsolete at other places:
> 
> http://www.fotoimpex.de/catalogus_novus_impexus.pdf
> 
> http://www.jandcphotography.com/
> 
> is the American agent for many of the items mentioned in the PDF, 
there 
> are differences though and they have less in their list.
> 
> Ernst

I concur, FotoImpEx is a good place to find interesting things. If 
you, or anyone else for that matter, would be interested in acquiring 
some more original TechPan, please mail me privately. I've got 
several 45 meter 35mm rolls of the stuff, claiming space in my 
refrigerator. Unfortunately it dates back from 1998, so no guarantees 
whatsoever, but it has always been kept cool. I also have some dated 
Technidol lying around. 

I bought it and a lot of other film from a university photo lab gone 
digital. Since then I haven't used a single B&W film (shame on me) so 
I'm wasting fridge and cupboard space. If anyone is interested in 
acquiring any of the following items please make an offer. All the 
colour films and part of the B&W films are stored in a fridge. All 
the films are past their sell by dates, so I won't give any guarantees

- Kodak Ektagraphic HC slide film 135/36  7/1999  (high contrast B&W 
slide film) 

- Macophot ORT 25 135/36   2/2001 (orthochromatic B&W negative film, 
extremely fine grain)
- Agfa Agfaortho 25  135/36  1/2000  (orthochromatic B&W negative 
film, extremely fine grain)
- Agfa Agfapan 25  135/36  1/2002
- Ilford 100 delta pro 135/36  10/1998


And in 35mm rolls (100ft should yield about 20 135/36 films, 150ft 30)
- Ilford FP4plus 125  35mmx100ft (30.5m) 6/2000
- Ilford SP816T 35mmx100ft (30.5m) 3/2001 (labelled a 400 iso film, 
this is essentially the same emulsion as the Ilford SFX200, but on a 
thicker base - so it's a film with extended IR sensitivity - not as 
good as Kodak HIE and Maco IR820c but still fun to experiment with)

And 120 and 220 films:
- Ilford FP4plus 125  120  7/2002    220 2/1999
- Ilford 100delta pro  120  10/1998
- Ilford HP5plus 400  120  11/1994!  220 6/1991 (they must have 
stopped using this film a long time ago)

- Ilford FP4 125 50 sheets 4*5" (date illegible but definitively old)

And, if it isn't too much like heresy on this list:
- Kodak vericolor slide film SO-279 135/36  9/1999 (for making slides 
off of negatives!)
- Kodak Ektachrome Slide Duplicating film 135/36 12/1999


Quantities vary from 1 to 30 films per type (sorry I'm too lazy to 
count them all at the moment, will do if and when there's any 
interest).

Dick Boschloo
the Netherlands

Re: Finest grain film and also Infra-Red

2005-07-08 by helen_bach2003

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Richard 
Smallfield <r.smallfield@p...> wrote:
> Hi,
> what with the demise of Tech Pan and APX 25, I wondered what people 
think the finest grained film is. I love the optics of 35mm cameras 
and would like to still be able to shoot something like APX 25 if it 
existed.

I use Kodak Ultra 100 as my all-round film for low graininess and 
high dynamic range. Rather than desaturating, I use the channel 
mixer, like many others. Using a Nikon 5000 scanner I can get 13 
stops of usable information, if required. Colour negative films have 
advantages over traditional B&W films if they are going to be 
scanned. Whether you like the look of them or not is a different 
matter, of course. Among the silver-image films, I use TMX (TMax 
100) - which I find to be a good, versatile film. There are 
replacements for Tech Pan - I haven't tried much of any of them 
because I still have hundreds of rolls of Tech Pan left, but I've 
tried a few rolls of Bluefire and Imagelink HQ. The Imagelink looks 
promising.

Best, Helen

Re: [Digital BW] Finest grain film and also Infra-Red

2005-07-08 by Peter De Smidt

Those of us who still use film might want to follow Paul Butzi's 
experimentations on developing film for scanning. See the first part at: 
http://www.butzi.net/articles/tuning1.htm

-Peter De Smidt

Re: [Digital BW] Finest grain film and also Infra-Red

2005-07-08 by Richard Smallfield

At 05:09 AM Saturday 7/9/2005, you wrote:
>- Agfa Agfapan 25  135/36  1/2002

How many rolls?

Richard 
--
Portraiture and Location Photography
http://smallfield.vze.com
http://photos.smallfield.vze.com

   "Millions long for immortality who do not know what to do with 
   themselves on a rainy Sunday afternoon."
   --Susan Ertz

[Digital BW] Re: Finest grain film and also Infra-Red

2005-07-08 by koloshor

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Aitken"
<chris@i...> wrote:
> > The big problem is that most of the "IR look" that we all 
> > know and love from our film days has nothing to do with the 
> > IR itself. It has to do with the lack of an anti-halation 
> > layer on Kodak HIR. This pretty much doubled the film's 
> > sensitivity, but also gave it the "glow" that people came to 
> > associate with IR photography. And the grain. So the "IR 
> > look" isn't just white foliage and dark skies, it's grainy, 
> > glowing foliage.
> 
> I recently shot a roll of Maco IR820c, an 100 speed IR film. They
also do a
> version called Aura, which comes without the antihalation backing.
So you
> have your choice.

Thanks. I'll mention it at the next IR class I teach...

RE: [Digital BW] Re: Finest grain film and also Infra-Red

2005-07-11 by Chris Aitken

> > I recently shot a roll of Maco IR820c, an 100 speed IR film. They
> also do a
> > version called Aura, which comes without the antihalation backing.
> So you
> > have your choice.
> 
> Thanks. I'll mention it at the next IR class I teach...

No problem. They have a tech note that is worth downloading (www.mahn.net).
It tells you little thigs you need to know (like prewashing the film before
development etc).


-- 
This message has been scanned for viruses and
dangerous content by MailScanner, and is
believed to be clean.

Move to quarantaine

This moves the raw source file on disk only. The archive index is not changed automatically, so you still need to run a manual refresh afterward.