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RE: [Digital BW] The 4800-What Does Everyone-or Some Anyway-Think

RE: [Digital BW] The 4800-What Does Everyone-or Some Anyway-Think

2005-07-13 by John Moody

It sounds to me like you want to print glossy media, larger than 13" wide.
Is that the case?

I will be waiting for a solution that does not cost so much money to switch
between matte and photo black, or stay with the 13" limit and upgrade to a
R2400.

Best regards,
John Moody
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-----Original Message-----
From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Stephen M
Martin
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 10:35 AM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] The 4800-What Does Everyone-or Some Anyway-Think

As I reach for my credit card to buy a 4800, I read criticisms of it that
are a bit unsettling. For instance, that the Epson drivers still are no
replacement for IP with the older printers, in my case the 2200. I read that
there is a problem with magenta showing up in the black areas of color
photos. It had all the appearance of being an excellent upgrade but I wonder
what the consensus is now that a number of you have used them.




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Re: [Digital BW] The 4800-What Does Everyone-or Some Anyway-Think

2005-07-13 by Steve Kale

Some comments: 

1. The new printers come with new inks (except matte).  So if you are OEM
ink inclined then the 4800 brings you the new inks that are not available to
your 2200 (short of buying the larger cartridges and refilling 2200 carts).
The new K3 inks include a LLK and also have significantly improved photo
paper output and some say better saturation on matte paper.

2.  The 4800 can print larger than the 2200 - but is itself substantially
bigger.

3.  The 4800 is likely to be more robustly built and "optimised" than the
consumer 2200.  Having said that my paper tray feeder has just broken.  At
least in the UK, your 4800 warranty is for on-site repair/inspection - no
shipping to Epson unless it is really toast in which case I would assume the
technician would take it away.

4.  The 4800 is expensive re swapping inks but the cost of OEM ink for the
4800 is comparatively cheaper than a 2100.  (£45+Vat for a 220ml cartridge.)

5.  The 4800 Adv B&W driver definitely uses LM, LC and Y ink for its
"neutral" profile.  The only surprise is the yellow ink.  How bad is yellow?
Who knows.  If your were to use QTR, or perhaps even IP, yellow would get
used in a sepia print anyway.  At worst one can abandon the convenience of
the Epson tint picker driver and use QTR with the 4800.  I suspect IP for
the 4800 will as absurdly priced as with the 4000.

I think your starting point should simply be considering whether or not you
have reached the point where you would like a larger printer....
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> From: Stephen M Martin <steve@...>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 10:35:29 -0400
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Digital BW] The 4800-What Does Everyone-or Some Anyway-Think
> 
> As I reach for my credit card to buy a 4800, I read criticisms of it that are
> a bit unsettling. For instance, that the Epson drivers still are no
> replacement for IP with the older printers, in my case the 2200. I read that
> there is a problem with magenta showing up in the black areas of color photos.
> It had all the appearance of being an excellent upgrade but I wonder what the
> consensus is now that a number of you have used them.

Re: The 4800-What Does Everyone-or Some Anyway-Think

2005-07-13 by Tyler Boley

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen M Martin" <steve@s...> 
wrote:
> As I reach for my credit card to buy a 4800, I read criticisms of it that are a bit unsettling. 
For instance, that the Epson drivers still are no replacement for IP with the older printers, in 
my case the 2200.

That's not what I see in a few samples. The 3rd black certainly helps, and the Epson samples I 
have show separation down to 100%. I constantly read of complaints about IP blocking up 
deep shadows. There was an article posted here comparing curves, the Epson looked better 
to me.
I haven't seen results on matte paper with mK yet.

>... I read that there is a problem with magenta showing up in the black areas of color 
photos.

Haven't heard about that, could just be a profile problem. For B&W there's going to be some 
color ink used to neutralize the tone. The K inks are warm by themselves.

Do you have lnks to any of these results?
Tyler

Re: [Digital BW] The 4800-What Does Everyone-or Some Anyway-Think

2005-07-13 by Steve Kale

You don't need Imageprint... Personally I feel that it is a waste of money
but then that's just one man's opinion.
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> From: Stephen M Martin <steve@...>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 17:20:14 -0400
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] The 4800-What Does Everyone-or Some Anyway-Think
> 
> I want to print both gloss-Ilford- and matte. It looks like it's best to wait
> until Image Print catches up to this printer.

The 4800-What Does Everyone-or Some Anyway-Think

2005-08-13 by Stephen M Martin

As I reach for my credit card to buy a 4800, I read criticisms of it that are a bit unsettling. For instance, that the Epson drivers still are no replacement for IP with the older printers, in my case the 2200. I read that there is a problem with magenta showing up in the black areas of color photos. It had all the appearance of being an excellent upgrade but I wonder what the consensus is now that a number of you have used them.
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Barry McWayne 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 9:18 PM
  Subject: [Digital BW] Re: QTR and the 4800 - a little problem


  A friend just alerted me that I had "Sheet Feed" selected in QTRgui 
  instead of "Auto Sheet Feed." Problem solved. Thanks anyway.
  BJ

  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Barry McWayne" 
  <fnbjm1@u...> wrote:
  > I need a clue: when using QTR with cuts sheets on an Epson 4800, I 
  > have to manually push the up or down paper advance arrow on the 
  > control panel before the printer will begin printing. The paper 
  loads 
  > normally, but as soon as its in place the red light adjacent to the 
  > advance buttons illuminates, indicating there's a problem. Once the 
  > either button is pushed, everything works fine. This is not an issue 
  > when using the Epson driver. Any idea how 
  > to cure? Running XP Pro. Thanks much.
  > BJ




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Re: [Digital BW] The 4800-What Does Everyone-or Some Anyway-Think

2005-08-13 by Stephen M Martin

I want to print both gloss-Ilford- and matte. It looks like it's best to wait until Image Print catches up to this printer.
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John Moody 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 11:04 AM
  Subject: RE: [Digital BW] The 4800-What Does Everyone-or Some Anyway-Think


  It sounds to me like you want to print glossy media, larger than 13" wide.
  Is that the case?

  I will be waiting for a solution that does not cost so much money to switch
  between matte and photo black, or stay with the 13" limit and upgrade to a
  R2400.

  Best regards,
  John Moody

  -----Original Message-----
  From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Stephen M
  Martin
  Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 10:35 AM
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [Digital BW] The 4800-What Does Everyone-or Some Anyway-Think

  As I reach for my credit card to buy a 4800, I read criticisms of it that
  are a bit unsettling. For instance, that the Epson drivers still are no
  replacement for IP with the older printers, in my case the 2200. I read that
  there is a problem with magenta showing up in the black areas of color
  photos. It had all the appearance of being an excellent upgrade but I wonder
  what the consensus is now that a number of you have used them.




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