Digital BW, The Print

I'm sorry to bother you with questions that perhaps should be adressed 
to MIS but...

-One uses a syringe to draw ink from the bottles and injecting into the 
cartridges. Now, does one just use the same syringe with all inks? Or 
does one need a separate for each?

-When drilling the hole into the cartridge, one does not have to worry 
about getting stuff from the hole into the cartridge itself? The sponge 
acts as a filter? No?

-There's been recommendations to have extra carts. Which can be 
practical of course to be able to continue printing with the least 
dealy. But the carts are colour (or rather place) sensitive, are they 
not? So in order to have extra carts one would have to get a full extra 
set? Ie, the resetter does not reset the colour position just the ink 
level sensor? I don't really understand how these chips work (and the 
resetter) I must say.

-There seems to be a high capacity black cart. Would that be the 
recommended cart to get?

That's all for now. I'm still hazy about how exactly the bottom fill 
adapter/priming thing actually works. But I'll return to you on that 
one later. Perhaps when I actually have the goods in my sweaty hands 
and can see for my self things are a bit clearer. I wish!! ;-)

Thanks for your indulgence.

henrik

Henrik,

>...
> -One uses a syringe to draw ink from the bottles and injecting into the
> cartridges. Now, does one just use the same syringe with all inks? Or
> does one need a separate for each?

With the C86 EZ system, if there are all EZ-N inks in the color spots, you
can use the same syringe without rinsing it.

I notice MIS sells a 1280 UT2 kit with only one syringe.  I use different
ones for each different ink, but I suppose if you rinse the syringe there is
not enough water left in it to matter.  I find the needle needs the water
blown out of it.

 
> -When drilling the hole into the cartridge,

You have an old one with no stopper in the top of the reservoir?  I received
some of these as early beta versions, but I thought all the easy-refill
carts that were sold had a stopper on the top of the spongeless reservoir.
It can be pushed in so far that it is flush with the top, but a small
jeweler's screw driver gets it out OK.

>one does not have to worry
> about getting stuff from the hole into the cartridge itself? The sponge
> acts as a filter? No?

That is the theory.  If you have an easy refill cart with no stopper, then
you can drill into the reservoir top, apparently without concern.  The
sponge that is over the outlet and between the 2 sections of the cart will
catch any debris.   

> -There's been recommendations to have extra carts. Which can be
> practical of course to be able to continue printing with the least
> dealy. But the carts are colour (or rather place) sensitive, are they
> not?

Yes, the carts are the same, but the chips are specific to each spot.

> So in order to have extra carts one would have to get a full extra
> set?

You can also just switch chips.  I use a small piece of tape at the top of
the chip to hold it in place.  I can easily pull the tape and chip off and
put it on another cart.

> Ie, the resetter does not reset the colour position just the ink
> level sensor?

That's right.  It just sets the chip back to the full position.


> -There seems to be a high capacity black cart. Would that be the
> recommended cart to get?

I wish I had one.  I'm not sure if MIS has re-fillable versions of this or
not.

> ... I'm still hazy about how exactly the bottom fill
> adapter/priming thing actually works. ...

When a cart is vacuum filled, there should be no air in that cart to cause
problems.  A good vacuum will result in the ink being right at the outlet,
so that no priming is necessary.

When there is a problem is if one fills an empty cart from the top.  An air
bubble tends to sit right at the outlet.  When the printer tries to pull in
new ink, all it gets is air.  So, a syringe with a bottom fill adapter is
used to pull that air out of the outlet before the cart in put into the
printer.

I think MIS might be selling special bottom fill adapters with little rubber
tubes on the end.  I took one that did not have a tube on it and cut the end
down to 7 mm.  I think it might work better than the tube.  The idea is to
be able to get the adapter to seal well enough that you're not just pulling
air in around the adapter.  With a snout on the adapter that is long enough
to open the poppet valve, but short enough to allow the flange on the
adapter to seal against the bottom of the cart seems to work fairly well.

Good luck with the system.  I still think it is the easiest and cheapest way
to get into high quality B&W printing.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

I bought the pre-filled EZ inks for my C86, and the cartridges don't 
have stoppers. Does this mean that these aren't the Easy Refill 
Cartridges?  I'm starting to get low on ink, and I had planned on refilling.

On another note, I've been pretty happy with my two C86s so far, one for 
color and one for bw.  With color, I really like the look of Epson's 
Enhanced Matte. Is there a paper with a similar look that's archival? 
With bw, I get pretty good prints. (At the moment I'm scanning 8x10 
fiber based prints to get my file.) The prints look good until I place 
it next to the silver gelatin print. Sharpness isn't the problem, but 
rather the surface of the paper.  Kirkland is too glossy. I try some 
premier art shield when it arrives, as I've heard that this lowers the 
gloss. I also have some Epson premium semi-matte on the way. Does 
spraying it with Premier Art Shield increase the gloss with this paper? 
I"ve seen prints on Epson Premium Luster paper, and they were quite 
good, very similar to semi-matte or pearl RC silver gelatin papers, 
although it had too much texture for my liking. Does Epson professional 
semi-gloss have less texture?

Peter

Peter,

> I bought the pre-filled EZ inks for my C86, and the cartridges don't
> have stoppers. Does this mean that these aren't the Easy Refill
> Cartridges?  I'm starting to get low on ink, and I had planned on
> refilling.

If they are clear and have a spongeless reservoir, they should be able to be
re-filled easily.  Although it sounds like you will have to drill a hole.
(Be sure you're able to close the hole in an air-tight manner.)

If the carts are not clear with the spongeless reservoir, then bottom
filling in the old style will be needed.  With this approach foam will stop
you from getting as much ink in the cart as it originally had.  I'm not a
fan of bottom filling because it also makes the filter ineffective.

> On another note, I've been pretty happy with my two C86s so far, one for
> color and one for bw.  With color, I really like the look of Epson's
> Enhanced Matte. Is there a paper with a similar look that's archival?

The usual papers like Hahnemuhle, Innova and PremierArt are archival.  I
think the PremierArt 205 is a good, durable paper for a fair price (MIS now
carries this -- see http://www.inksupply.com/paper.cfm#pahp, and see also
http://www.itsupplies.com/cgi-bin/itsupplies.storefront/4284d4160161816c273f
40018014063e/Catalog/1518).   The Innova offerings -- a whole set -- are
very nice, with a slightly better dmax.  The "Ultra Smooth FibaPrint" is a
particularly interesting, nicely-priced option.  (See
http://www.shadesofpaper.com/innova.htm near the bottom of the page.)   H.
PhotoRag has a slightly better dmax that some see as the standard.  Be
careful of its sensitive surface.



> ... I also have some Epson premium semi-matte on the way. Does
> spraying it with Premier Art Shield increase the gloss with this paper?

It does change it a bit, but the positives outweigh the negatives.  I dry
mount this paper.  It then takes on some of the texture of the underlying
matte board, which may actually help make it look more like the silver
prints I'm used to.

Premium Semigloss is another good option that does have less texture than
Luster, which I also don't like.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

yes, printshield does tone down the gloss of kirkland quite a bit, but 
it does not really increase the gloss of semi-matte. Semi-matte has 
only a little bit of texture. Semi-gloss has the same amount of texture 
as luster if you ask me, it's just a little diferent kind of texture. 
The semi-matte surface is pretty nice, and I think it is closer to 
gloss than luster.   Printshield on kirkland gets it pretty close to 
semimatte, and the image quality is maybe a tad better with kirkland. 
The semimatte is kind of picky, and you may need to use 2880, or a 
higher resolution than you need with kirkland....Keep in mind that I 
use a 1280 for BW........ by the way, I also use the c86 for color, and 
have found that with the mac driver, only two papers give me a 
bulletproof colormatch. Those are EEM, and the cheap "glossy photo 
paper" niether of which are archival, but that is ok for me because i 
just print snaps in color, or if I do a 8x10 in color, I am fine with 
reprinting it in the future. The c86 in color has a kind of nice vibe 
on these papers, but I am sure the better printers are way better. 
Surprisingly nice color with these two papers though. All the other 
papers have a blue color cast with my mac/epson driver, even the 
durabrite glossy paper made only for this inkset has the blue cast.
On May 13, 2005, at 8:23 AM, Peter De Smidt wrote:

>  Sharpness isn't the problem, but
>  rather the surface of the paper.  Kirkland is too glossy. I try some
>  premier art shield when it arrives, as I've heard that this lowers the
>  gloss. I also have some Epson premium semi-matte on the way. Does
>  spraying it with Premier Art Shield increase the gloss with this 
> paper?
>  I"ve seen prints on Epson Premium Luster paper, and they were quite
>  good, very similar to semi-matte or pearl RC silver gelatin papers,
>  although it had too much texture for my liking. Does Epson 
> professional
>  semi-gloss have less texture?

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Paul,

Have you (or anyone else???) tried drilling a hole into the top of an 
original Epson c86 cart and re-filling it?

Is there any reason this wouldn't work?

Just a thought...

Scott

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> Peter,
> 
> > I bought the pre-filled EZ inks for my C86, and the cartridges 
don't
> > have stoppers. Does this mean that these aren't the Easy Refill
> > Cartridges?  I'm starting to get low on ink, and I had planned on
> > refilling.
> 
> If they are clear and have a spongeless reservoir, they should be 
able to be
> re-filled easily.  Although it sounds like you will have to drill a 
hole.
> (Be sure you're able to close the hole in an air-tight manner.)
> 
> If the carts are not clear with the spongeless reservoir, then 
bottom
> filling in the old style will be needed.  With this approach foam 
will stop
> you from getting as much ink in the cart as it originally had.  I'm 
not a
> fan of bottom filling because it also makes the filter ineffective.
> 
> > On another note, I've been pretty happy with my two C86s so far, 
one for
> > color and one for bw.  With color, I really like the look of 
Epson's
> > Enhanced Matte. Is there a paper with a similar look that's 
archival?
> 
> The usual papers like Hahnemuhle, Innova and PremierArt are 
archival.  I
> think the PremierArt 205 is a good, durable paper for a fair price 
(MIS now
> carries this -- see http://www.inksupply.com/paper.cfm#pahp, and 
see also
> http://www.itsupplies.com/cgi-
bin/itsupplies.storefront/4284d4160161816c273f
> 40018014063e/Catalog/1518).   The Innova offerings -- a whole set --
 are
> very nice, with a slightly better dmax.  The "Ultra Smooth 
FibaPrint" is a
> particularly interesting, nicely-priced option.  (See
> http://www.shadesofpaper.com/innova.htm near the bottom of the 
page.)   H.
> PhotoRag has a slightly better dmax that some see as the standard.  
Be
> careful of its sensitive surface.
> 
> 
> 
> > ... I also have some Epson premium semi-matte on the way. Does
> > spraying it with Premier Art Shield increase the gloss with this 
paper?
> 
> It does change it a bit, but the positives outweigh the negatives.  
I dry
> mount this paper.  It then takes on some of the texture of the 
underlying
> matte board, which may actually help make it look more like the 
silver
> prints I'm used to.
> 
> Premium Semigloss is another good option that does have less 
texture than

> Luster, which I also don't like.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com

Yes,there is a high capacity blacl ink cart and MIS sells one also. 

I highly recommend it. I but two of every cart when I place and 
order. That way, IF I run into a problem I have a spare (I'd hate to 
place an order just to order on cart!). So far, so good.

The part number is: ARC-T0431-FC

(Actually, they say it's for a C84, but the C86 uses the same carts.)

Scott



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Henrik Frejborg 
<henrik.frejborg@t...> wrote:
> I'm sorry to bother you with questions that perhaps should be 
adressed 
> to MIS but...
> 
> -One uses a syringe to draw ink from the bottles and injecting into 
the 
> cartridges. Now, does one just use the same syringe with all inks? 
Or 
> does one need a separate for each?
> 
> -When drilling the hole into the cartridge, one does not have to 
worry 
> about getting stuff from the hole into the cartridge itself? The 
sponge 
> acts as a filter? No?
> 
> -There's been recommendations to have extra carts. Which can be 
> practical of course to be able to continue printing with the least 
> dealy. But the carts are colour (or rather place) sensitive, are 
they 
> not? So in order to have extra carts one would have to get a full 
extra 
> set? Ie, the resetter does not reset the colour position just the 
ink 
> level sensor? I don't really understand how these chips work (and 
the 
> resetter) I must say.
> 
> -There seems to be a high capacity black cart. Would that be the 
> recommended cart to get?
> 
> That's all for now. I'm still hazy about how exactly the bottom 
fill 
> adapter/priming thing actually works. But I'll return to you on 
that 
> one later. Perhaps when I actually have the goods in my sweaty 
hands 

> and can see for my self things are a bit clearer. I wish!! ;-)
> 
> Thanks for your indulgence.
> 
> henrik

Scott,

 
> Have you (or anyone else???) tried drilling a hole into the top of an
> original Epson c86 cart and re-filling it?
> 
> Is there any reason this wouldn't work?
> 
> Just a thought...
> 

I have not done this, but you might want to check out Dan Staver's 2100 cart
re-filling post dated 5/23/04.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Definitely dont do it. dont drill hole into the top of the original cartridge, that will clog your print head anyway.
 
try the bulk ink system:
http://www.inkrepublic.com
 
they have very decent system for C86, 2200, R1800.


scott_now_coming <scott_now_coming@...> wrote:
Paul,

Have you (or anyone else???) tried drilling a hole into the top of an 
original Epson c86 cart and re-filling it?

Is there any reason this wouldn't work?

Just a thought...

Scott

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
<paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> Peter,
> 
> > I bought the pre-filled EZ inks for my C86, and the cartridges 
don't
> > have stoppers. Does this mean that these aren't the Easy Refill
> > Cartridges?  I'm starting to get low on ink, and I had planned on
> > refilling.
> 
> If they are clear and have a spongeless reservoir, they should be 
able to be
> re-filled easily.  Although it sounds like you will have to drill a 
hole.
> (Be sure you're able to close the hole in an air-tight manner.)
> 
> If the carts are not clear with the spongeless reservoir, then 
bottom
> filling in the old style will be needed.  With this approach foam 
will stop
> you from getting as much ink in the cart as it originally had.  I'm 
not a
> fan of bottom filling because it also makes the filter ineffective.
> 
> > On another note, I've been pretty happy with my two C86s so far, 
one for
> > color and one for bw.  With color, I really like the look of 
Epson's
> > Enhanced Matte. Is there a paper with a similar look that's 
archival?
> 
> The usual papers like Hahnemuhle, Innova and PremierArt are 
archival.  I
> think the PremierArt 205 is a good, durable paper for a fair price 
(MIS now
> carries this -- see http://www.inksupply.com/paper.cfm#pahp, and 
see also
> http://www.itsupplies.com/cgi-
bin/itsupplies.storefront/4284d4160161816c273f
> 40018014063e/Catalog/1518).   The Innova offerings -- a whole set --
are
> very nice, with a slightly better dmax.  The "Ultra Smooth 
FibaPrint" is a
> particularly interesting, nicely-priced option.  (See
> http://www.shadesofpaper.com/innova.htm near the bottom of the 
page.)   H.
> PhotoRag has a slightly better dmax that some see as the standard.  
Be
> careful of its sensitive surface.
> 
> 
> 
> > ... I also have some Epson premium semi-matte on the way. Does
> > spraying it with Premier Art Shield increase the gloss with this 
paper?
> 
> It does change it a bit, but the positives outweigh the negatives.  
I dry
> mount this paper.  It then takes on some of the texture of the 
underlying
> matte board, which may actually help make it look more like the 
silver
> prints I'm used to.
> 
> Premium Semigloss is another good option that does have less 
texture than
> Luster, which I also don't like.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com




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I would like to use C86 with 8.5"x33' roll paper and found it is not
supported. "User Defined" option can only define sheet paper not roll paper.
Without the correct roll paper definition it is hard to make the printer
feed the roll paper correctly.

Anyone tried and has a workaround for this issue?

Thanks,
- philip


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