Digital BW, The Print

I have discovered difficulty which the Epson tech support team
seems unable to resolve.

I have resumed my photo hobby after an extended summer 
break and have been attempting to refine my printing techniques.

I wish to print in 'B&W' and have been trying endless PhotoShop
Pantone selections in order to find one which will minimize the
green cast of the 2000P's metamerism.... 

What I finally discovered last night was that there appears to be 
an 'autocorrection' enabled in the Epson software that creates 
basically the same results with no regard to the color overtones of 
the input image.... I have also tried endless combinations of the 
Custom Control settings with minimal variations in the output..

The dark areas have a magenta tone, the mid ranges are tan, and
the light areas have a greenish shade ....

Has anyone experienced this?  
Has anyone found a solution ?

Can someone please recommend a BW inkset compatible with the 2000P 


Best Regards !

I started printing b/w with a 2000P and switched to an 1160 with MIS 
inks.  I had two ways of making prints on the 2000P.  First, use black 
ink only.  This is by far the best system.  No metamerism at all! And a 
nice warm tone.  The prints are a bit chunkier than my 1160, but they 
still look good (without a loupe).

The other way is a constant battle with metamerism, but very beautiful 
under the right light.  Use the tritone and quadtone settings available 
through photoshop and pick the three or four pantones you want. The 
possibilites are wonderful and I would switch back to that method if it 
wasn't for the creeping green.

Let me know if you need a workflow for doing the quadtone settings.

Frank

http://www.culturalvisions.com

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "a_pettit_jr" <
a_pettit_jr@y...> wrote:

> I have discovered difficulty which the Epson tech support team
> seems unable to resolve.
> 
> I have resumed my photo hobby after an extended summer 
> break and have been attempting to refine my printing techniques.
> 
> I wish to print in 'B&W' and have been trying endless PhotoShop
> Pantone selections in order to find one which will minimize the
> green cast of the 2000P's metamerism.... 
> 
> What I finally discovered last night was that there appears to be 
> an 'autocorrection' enabled in the Epson software that creates 
> basically the same results with no regard to the color overtones of 
> the input image.... I have also tried endless combinations of the 
> Custom Control settings with minimal variations in the output..
> 
> The dark areas have a magenta tone, the mid ranges are tan, and
> the light areas have a greenish shade ....
> 
> Has anyone experienced this?  
> Has anyone found a solution ?
> 
> Can someone please recommend a BW inkset compatible with the 2000P 
> 
> 
> Best Regards !

Hello Frank,

Well after another long night of testing, my printer is not at fault -
it was that every quad or tricolor pantone set was a fairly neutral
set of greys, tans, sepais or browns .... 
And the metamerism shifted everything to green or I wound up with 
strong magenta casts in the shadows...

I found, after about 30 tests, that a mod to a duotone blue worked
pretty well ... but still somewhat Green.... 
Thus, I have given up attempting to get good BW prints from the 
standard Epson ink set and have some MIS variable.mix inks on the way.
The 1280 style inks fit the printer, and Paul Roark just happened to
have a set of correcton curves for the MIS/VM and 2000P in his back 
pocket <G>

Thanks For The Reply 

Alex P


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "culturalvisions" 
<frank@c...> wrote:
> I started printing b/w with a 2000P and switched to an 1160 with 
MIS 
> inks.  I had two ways of making prints on the 2000P.  First, use 
black 
> ink only.  This is by far the best system.  No metamerism at all! 
And a 
> nice warm tone.  The prints are a bit chunkier than my 1160, but 
they 
> still look good (without a loupe).
> 
> The other way is a constant battle with metamerism, but very 
beautiful 
> under the right light.  Use the tritone and quadtone settings 
available 
> through photoshop and pick the three or four pantones you want. The 
> possibilites are wonderful and I would switch back to that method 
if it 

> wasn't for the creeping green.
> 
> Let me know if you need a workflow for doing the quadtone settings.
> 
> Frank
> 
> http://www.culturalvisions.com
>

Paul is "the man" when it comes to great curves and inksets.  I 
gave up on the 2000P with Epson ink for b/w.  Now I am 
wrestling with it for good color.

As Mark Tucker said, "If you can't get a good tone in your print, 
who cares how many years it lasts".

Frank

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "a_pettit_jr" 
<a_pettit_jr@y...> wrote:
> Hello Frank,
> 
> Well after another long night of testing, my printer is not at fault 
-
> it was that every quad or tricolor pantone set was a fairly 
neutral
> set of greys, tans, sepais or browns .... 
> And the metamerism shifted everything to green or I wound up 
with 
> strong magenta casts in the shadows...
> 
> I found, after about 30 tests, that a mod to a duotone blue 
worked
> pretty well ... but still somewhat Green.... 
> Thus, I have given up attempting to get good BW prints from 
the 
> standard Epson ink set and have some MIS variable.mix inks 
on the way.
> The 1280 style inks fit the printer, and Paul Roark just 
happened to
> have a set of correcton curves for the MIS/VM and 2000P in his 
back 
> pocket <G>
> 
> Thanks For The Reply 
> 
> Alex P
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., "culturalvisions" 
> <frank@c...> wrote:
> > I started printing b/w with a 2000P and switched to an 1160 
with 
> MIS 
> > inks.  I had two ways of making prints on the 2000P.  First, 
use 
> black 
> > ink only.  This is by far the best system.  No metamerism at 
all! 
> And a 
> > nice warm tone.  The prints are a bit chunkier than my 1160, 
but 
> they 
> > still look good (without a loupe).
> > 
> > The other way is a constant battle with metamerism, but very 
> beautiful 
> > under the right light.  Use the tritone and quadtone settings 
> available 
> > through photoshop and pick the three or four pantones you 
want. The 
> > possibilites are wonderful and I would switch back to that 
method 
> if it 
> > wasn't for the creeping green.
> > 
> > Let me know if you need a workflow for doing the quadtone 
settings.

> > 
> > Frank
> > 
> > http://www.culturalvisions.com
> >