Digital BW, The Print

Hi folks,
  I have a 1280 with UT2, I've never used any other inks in it.  My
MIS-supplied Eboni cart works fine, but a self-filled spongeless cart
with PKN clogs just about every other print.  Any advice?

-- 
 Ben Rosengart                                          ben@...
       "Young people should be seen and not heard, because they're
        good-looking but not too bright.  We're pretty bright now,
        but we're ugly." -- Grace Slick on the '60s youth movement

On Sat, Sep 10, 2005 at 01:47:14PM -0400, Ben Rosengart wrote:
> Hi folks,
>   I have a 1280 with UT2, I've never used any other inks in it.  My
> MIS-supplied Eboni cart works fine, but a self-filled spongeless cart
> with PKN clogs just about every other print.

BTW, I have tried re-priming it.  Didn't help.

-- 
 Ben Rosengart                                          ben@...
       "Young people should be seen and not heard, because they're
        good-looking but not too bright.  We're pretty bright now,
        but we're ugly." -- Grace Slick on the '60s youth movement

Swap out with a cart you know works. See if the problem continues.
That will tell you if the problem is in the cart or the print head.
While the result is the same, the fixes are different. 
Bob Michaels

 --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Ben Rosengart
<yahoo.com@n...> wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 10, 2005 at 01:47:14PM -0400, Ben Rosengart wrote:
> > Hi folks,
> >   I have a 1280 with UT2, I've never used any other inks in it. 
My
> > MIS-supplied Eboni cart works fine, but a self-filled spongeless
cart

> > with PKN clogs just about every other print.
> 
> BTW, I have tried re-priming it.  Didn't help.
> 
> -- 
>  Ben Rosengart                                          ben@n...
>

On Sun, Sep 11, 2005 at 12:51:14PM -0000, Bob Michaels wrote:
> Swap out with a cart you know works. See if the problem continues.

I have.  It doesn't.  I should've been more explicit about that in
my initial post.

Thanks.

> That will tell you if the problem is in the cart or the print head.
> While the result is the same, the fixes are different. 
> Bob Michaels
> 
>  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Ben Rosengart
> <yahoo.com@n...> wrote:
> > On Sat, Sep 10, 2005 at 01:47:14PM -0400, Ben Rosengart wrote:
> > > Hi folks,
> > >   I have a 1280 with UT2, I've never used any other inks in it. 
> My
> > > MIS-supplied Eboni cart works fine, but a self-filled spongeless
> cart
> > > with PKN clogs just about every other print.
> > 
> > BTW, I have tried re-priming it.  Didn't help.

-- 
 Ben Rosengart                                          ben@...
       "Young people should be seen and not heard, because they're
        good-looking but not too bright.  We're pretty bright now,
        but we're ugly." -- Grace Slick on the '60s youth movement

Then you probably have a defective cart or some problem in filling it.
I'd suck the ink and refill it. If that doesn't do the trick, tell MIS
and they'll exchange it or just send you a new one. 
Bob Michaels.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Ben Rosengart
<yahoo.com@n...> wrote:

> On Sun, Sep 11, 2005 at 12:51:14PM -0000, Bob Michaels wrote:
> > Swap out with a cart you know works. See if the problem continues.
> 
> I have.  It doesn't.  I should've been more explicit about that in
> my initial post.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> > That will tell you if the problem is in the cart or the print head.
> > While the result is the same, the fixes are different. 
> > Bob Michaels
> > 
> >  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Ben Rosengart
> > <yahoo.com@n...> wrote:
> > > On Sat, Sep 10, 2005 at 01:47:14PM -0400, Ben Rosengart wrote:
> > > > Hi folks,
> > > >   I have a 1280 with UT2, I've never used any other inks in it. 
> > My
> > > > MIS-supplied Eboni cart works fine, but a self-filled spongeless
> > cart
> > > > with PKN clogs just about every other print.
> > > 
> > > BTW, I have tried re-priming it.  Didn't help.
> 
> -- 
>  Ben Rosengart                                          ben@n...
>        "Young people should be seen and not heard, because they're
>         good-looking but not too bright.  We're pretty bright now,
>         but we're ugly." -- Grace Slick on the '60s youth movement

On Sun, Sep 11, 2005 at 11:26:41PM -0000, Bob Michaels wrote:
> Then you probably have a defective cart or some problem in filling it.
> I'd suck the ink and refill it. If that doesn't do the trick, tell MIS
> and they'll exchange it or just send you a new one. 

Thanks, Bob.  I will give this a try.

-- 
 Ben Rosengart                                          ben@...
       "Young people should be seen and not heard, because they're
        good-looking but not too bright.  We're pretty bright now,
        but we're ugly." -- Grace Slick on the '60s youth movement

On Sun, Sep 11, 2005 at 07:32:37PM -0400, Ben Rosengart wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 11, 2005 at 11:26:41PM -0000, Bob Michaels wrote:
> > Then you probably have a defective cart or some problem in filling it.
> > I'd suck the ink and refill it. If that doesn't do the trick, tell MIS
> > and they'll exchange it or just send you a new one. 
> 
> Thanks, Bob.  I will give this a try.

If I want to try using Eboni instead of PKN in that cart, can I wash
it out with tap water or do I need distilled water?  Is "filtered"
water (read Dasani or the like) close enough?

-- 
 Ben Rosengart                                          ben@...
       "Young people should be seen and not heard, because they're
        good-looking but not too bright.  We're pretty bright now,
        but we're ugly." -- Grace Slick on the '60s youth movement

On Sun, Sep 11, 2005 at 11:26:41PM -0000, Bob Michaels wrote:
> Then you probably have a defective cart or some problem in filling it.
> I'd suck the ink and refill it.

Refill it from scratch?  I just tried re-priming it again, no dice.
Why would emptying the ink out and refilling it help?  Can I put
the sucked-out ink back in the bottle, or is that asking for trouble?

Sorry to be such a pest with all the questions.  I am new at this.
I feel like I should buy the group a beer.

> If that doesn't do the trick, tell MIS
> and they'll exchange it or just send you a new one. 
> Bob Michaels.
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Ben Rosengart
> <yahoo.com@n...> wrote:
> > On Sun, Sep 11, 2005 at 12:51:14PM -0000, Bob Michaels wrote:
> > > Swap out with a cart you know works. See if the problem continues.
> > 
> > I have.  It doesn't.  I should've been more explicit about that in
> > my initial post.
> > 
> > Thanks.
> > 
> > > That will tell you if the problem is in the cart or the print head.
> > > While the result is the same, the fixes are different. 
> > > Bob Michaels
> > > 
> > >  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Ben Rosengart
> > > <yahoo.com@n...> wrote:
> > > > On Sat, Sep 10, 2005 at 01:47:14PM -0400, Ben Rosengart wrote:
> > > > > Hi folks,
> > > > >   I have a 1280 with UT2, I've never used any other inks in it. 
> > > My
> > > > > MIS-supplied Eboni cart works fine, but a self-filled spongeless
> > > cart
> > > > > with PKN clogs just about every other print.
> > > > 
> > > > BTW, I have tried re-priming it.  Didn't help.
> > 
> > -- 
> >  Ben Rosengart                                          ben@n...
> >        "Young people should be seen and not heard, because they're
> >         good-looking but not too bright.  We're pretty bright now,
> >         but we're ugly." -- Grace Slick on the '60s youth movement
> 
> 
> 
> 
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-- 
 Ben Rosengart                                          ben@...
       "Young people should be seen and not heard, because they're
        good-looking but not too bright.  We're pretty bright now,
        but we're ugly." -- Grace Slick on the '60s youth movement

You can wash the carts out with tap water. Acutally, I don't even wash
them out, just suck out all the old ink and refill iwth new as the
inks are compatible. But that's not what MIS recommends.
Bob Michaels

 --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Ben Rosengart
<yahoo.com@n...> wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 11, 2005 at 07:32:37PM -0400, Ben Rosengart wrote:
> > On Sun, Sep 11, 2005 at 11:26:41PM -0000, Bob Michaels wrote:
> > > Then you probably have a defective cart or some problem in
filling it.
> > > I'd suck the ink and refill it. If that doesn't do the trick,
tell MIS

> > > and they'll exchange it or just send you a new one. 
> > 
> > Thanks, Bob.  I will give this a try.
> 
> If I want to try using Eboni instead of PKN in that cart, can I wash
> it out with tap water or do I need distilled water?  Is "filtered"
> water (read Dasani or the like) close enough?
> 
> -- 
>  Ben Rosengart                                          ben@n...
>        "Young people should be seen and not heard, because they're
>         good-looking but not too bright.  We're pretty bright now,
>         but we're ugly." -- Grace Slick on the '60s youth movement

Put the old ink back in the bottle. There is no reason to throw it away. 
Bob Michaels

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Ben Rosengart
<yahoo.com@n...> wrote:
  Can I put the sucked-out ink back in the bottle, or is that asking
for trouble?

On Sun, Sep 11, 2005 at 11:26:41PM -0000, Bob Michaels wrote:
> Then you probably have a defective cart or some problem in filling it.

O misery.  MIS told me to suck 3cc out with the bottom-fill adapter.
I did -- no help.  Concurrently, I ran out of ink in my perfectly
functional MIS-supplied Eboni cartridge, so I pulled out the plug and
squirted in some fresh Eboni, put the plug in, reset the chip ...

and what do you know, I've got the same problem with this cartridge
now!  So now I think I must be doing something wrong in the filling
process.  Tell me, is it very important when using the syringe to
avoid air bubbles?  Because I don't think I've been too good about
that.  (Not that it mattered with the other five chambers, though!)

> I'd suck the ink and refill it. If that doesn't do the trick, tell MIS
> and they'll exchange it or just send you a new one. 
> Bob Michaels.
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Ben Rosengart
> <yahoo.com@n...> wrote:
> > On Sun, Sep 11, 2005 at 12:51:14PM -0000, Bob Michaels wrote:
> > > Swap out with a cart you know works. See if the problem continues.
> > 
> > I have.  It doesn't.  I should've been more explicit about that in
> > my initial post.
> > 
> > Thanks.
> > 
> > > That will tell you if the problem is in the cart or the print head.
> > > While the result is the same, the fixes are different. 
> > > Bob Michaels
> > > 
> > >  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Ben Rosengart
> > > <yahoo.com@n...> wrote:
> > > > On Sat, Sep 10, 2005 at 01:47:14PM -0400, Ben Rosengart wrote:
> > > > > Hi folks,
> > > > >   I have a 1280 with UT2, I've never used any other inks in it. 
> > > My
> > > > > MIS-supplied Eboni cart works fine, but a self-filled spongeless
> > > cart
> > > > > with PKN clogs just about every other print.
> > > > 
> > > > BTW, I have tried re-priming it.  Didn't help.
> > 
> > -- 
> >  Ben Rosengart                                          ben@n...
> >        "Young people should be seen and not heard, because they're
> >         good-looking but not too bright.  We're pretty bright now,
> >         but we're ugly." -- Grace Slick on the '60s youth movement
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 
>  
> 

-- 
 Ben Rosengart                                          ben@...
       "Young people should be seen and not heard, because they're
        good-looking but not too bright.  We're pretty bright now,
        but we're ugly." -- Grace Slick on the '60s youth movement