Digital BW, The Print

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Bob Michaels 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 5:34 PM
  Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Spongeless Carts, UT2 Ink, 1280 and Clogs


  Tom: Some of us are finding the spongeless carts to be bulletproof.
  Yet you are not alone with the probelms. So it's not a design problem
  but may be a production problem. 

  I used my 1280 today for the first time in 2 weeks. It's loaded with
  Eboni and MIS PRO color in spongeless carts. The first nozzle check
  was perfect. 

  I would ask Bob Zeiss at MIS if he has any clues before you give up
  completely. 

  Bob Michaels

  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Husband"
  <thusband@s...> wrote:
  > Well I guess it all goes back.  I can't get a decent nozzle check
  for
  > the life of me.  Plus I now think there were some bad chips on the
  > carts because I can't get the 1280 to recognize the black cart.  I'm
  > really disappointed as I wanted to use the UT2 with FSN-y.  Maybe
  > there will be some improvements down the road.
  > 
  > Tom
  > 





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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Michaels" <bob@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 8:34 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Spongeless Carts, UT2 Ink, 1280 and Clogs


Tom: Some of us are finding the spongeless carts to be bulletproof.
Yet you are not alone with the probelms. So it's not a design problem
but may be a production problem.

I used my 1280 today for the first time in 2 weeks. It's loaded with
Eboni and MIS PRO color in spongeless carts. The first nozzle check
was perfect.

I would ask Bob Zeiss at MIS if he has any clues before you give up
completely.

Bob Michaels

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Tom Husband"
<thusband@s...> wrote:
> Well I guess it all goes back.  I can't get a decent nozzle check
for
> the life of me.  Plus I now think there were some bad chips on the
> carts because I can't get the 1280 to recognize the black cart.  I'm
> really disappointed as I wanted to use the UT2 with FSN-y.  Maybe
> there will be some improvements down the road.
>
> Tom
>






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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Edward Wiseman 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 5:47 PM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: Spongeless Carts, UT2 Ink, 1280 and Clogs


  Tom..

       I agree with Bob..I don't think I would use the word "bulletproof", but
  coming out of 5 years of killing CIS/CFS equipped 1160's and 1280's with
  EXTRA CLEANING/PURGING cycles,, CLOGS/FOAM issues or whatever, I couldn't be
  happier and more free from headaches than I am now with 2 -1280's equipped
  with spongeless carts...

       I definitely would give Bob at MIS a call on your problems..I don't
  think your situation is typical of most of us that are now using the
  spongeless cart settup..
  I think you will find these folks VERY reponsive, but I would definitely use
  direct phone contact vs using email..

  Eddie Wiseman


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Bob Michaels" <bob@...>
  To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
  Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 8:34 PM
  Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Spongeless Carts, UT2 Ink, 1280 and Clogs


  Tom: Some of us are finding the spongeless carts to be bulletproof.
  Yet you are not alone with the probelms. So it's not a design problem
  but may be a production problem.

  I used my 1280 today for the first time in 2 weeks. It's loaded with
  Eboni and MIS PRO color in spongeless carts. The first nozzle check
  was perfect.

  I would ask Bob Zeiss at MIS if he has any clues before you give up
  completely.

  Bob Michaels



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>   > there will be some improvements down the road.
>   > 
>   > Tom
>   > 
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: richard_h95050 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 6:38 PM
  Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Spongeless Carts, UT2 Ink, 1280 and Clogs


  Hi Tom,

  I've been following your posts regarding the problem you're having 
  with the clear spongless carts and wanted to offer some support:

  1. Since you were getting a "promising" nozzle check at one point but 
  then but cleaning cycles made things worse, it sounds like the 
  problem is ink starvation to the head

  2. If you had "bad plugs" you would get an opposite problem as Ken 
  pointed out -- probably too much ink flowing and leaving "blobs" on 
  your prints. Still, make sure they're seated properly and taped if 
  necessary

  3. Although you pulled the vent tab covers off, make sure that the 
  vent holes are actually open. If in doubt, use a thin needle and pass 
  it through the vent hole -- sometimes adhesive from the tab or 
  manufacturing debris can block the hole and prevent venting, which in 
  turn prevents ink from being drawn from the cart

  Here's a quote from the MIS forum about this problem:

  "In some cases the user did not pull the yellow tab on the cart to 
  open the air vents. The cart will not print if the tab is not pulled. 
  This is on the top of the cart, not bottom.

  In some cases, the air vents did not open when the tab was pulled. 
  Making a pin hole puncture into each chamber thru the top clear 
  surface will let air in to vent the cart, or return it to MIS for an 
  exchange.

  We have sold thousands of these spongeless carts, and have had less 
  than 20 complaints."

  4. Last thought -- since at one point you mentioned that you were 
  having problems with the printer recognizing the cart, there may be a 
  QC issue with the cart causing that problem and also the ink flow 
  issue. Some of the early carts did have chip problems, but MIS is 
  very good about replacing any defective products

  Hope this helps. Short version: Make sure the plugs are well sealed 
  and the cart vents are open so it can "breathe" and all the ink 
  channels are primed -- if that doesn't do it, I'd ask MIS for 
  replacements rather than abandoning the effort...

  Cheers!
  Richard

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