Digital BW, The Print

Hello All,

Seems that there can be differences in K3 production batches.  In the
midst of working up an image and making test prints (2400) I had to
replace three inks: MK, LK and LM.  The next print had a magenta tinge
that wasn't there before, so the new LM must have been stronger.  

I was using 6h/-6v on Aurora Art.  Changing it to 5h/-6v brought it
back close to the previous color.  By "close" I mean that I couldn't
get an exact match to the previous print (5h was not quite enough but
4h was too much).  So the first point here is that ink differences can
be finer in gradation than the system allows us to compensate for.

I think these differences are to be expected.  I have found
differences among Eboni batches, and differences in tone, contrast and
density among different paper batches.  So the second point is that
these ABW settings may have to be revised from time to time - they
aren't carved in stone.

I think the greater lesson from all this is that even though we are
working with computers and digitized images we can't expect that a
print we make today will look exactly one we made a year ago.  This is
not a new thought but it doesn't hurt to mention it now and then.

Regards,
Clayton


Info on black and white digital printing at    
http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm

Any word from MIS on releasing the new UC k3 equivalent inks for the  
2400 and 4800 printers?  That 2400 is getting to be expensive to run  
with Epson inks.

Carl
On Sep 26, 2005, at 2:48 PM, Clayton Jones wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> Seems that there can be differences in K3 production batches.  In the
> midst of working up an image and making test prints (2400) I had to
> replace three inks: MK, LK and LM.  The next print had a magenta tinge
> that wasn't there before, so the new LM must have been stronger.
>
> I was using 6h/-6v on Aurora Art.  Changing it to 5h/-6v brought it
> back close to the previous color.  By "close" I mean that I couldn't
> get an exact match to the previous print (5h was not quite enough but
> 4h was too much).  So the first point here is that ink differences can
> be finer in gradation than the system allows us to compensate for.
>
> I think these differences are to be expected.  I have found
> differences among Eboni batches, and differences in tone, contrast and
> density among different paper batches.  So the second point is that
> these ABW settings may have to be revised from time to time - they
> aren't carved in stone.
>
> I think the greater lesson from all this is that even though we are
> working with computers and digitized images we can't expect that a
> print we make today will look exactly one we made a year ago.  This is
> not a new thought but it doesn't hurt to mention it now and then.
>
> Regards,
> Clayton
>
>
> Info on black and white digital printing at
> http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm


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From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Clayton
Jones
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 7:49 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Differences in K3 Ink Batches

Hello All,

Seems that there can be differences in K3 production batches.  

As in all inks or dyes.

Richard

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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Carl Schofield 
<scho@m...> wrote:
> Any word from MIS on releasing the new UC k3 equivalent inks for 
the  
> 2400 and 4800 printers?  That 2400 is getting to be expensive to 
run  
> with Epson inks.
> 
> Carl
> On Sep 26, 2005, at 2:48 PM, Clayton Jones wrote:
> 
> > Hello All,
> >
> > Seems that there can be differences in K3 production batches.  
In the
> > midst of working up an image and making test prints (2400) I had 
to
> > replace three inks: MK, LK and LM.  The next print had a magenta 
tinge
> > that wasn't there before, so the new LM must have been stronger.
> >
> > I was using 6h/-6v on Aurora Art.  Changing it to 5h/-6v brought 
it
> > back close to the previous color.  By "close" I mean that I 
couldn't
> > get an exact match to the previous print (5h was not quite 
enough but
> > 4h was too much).  So the first point here is that ink 
differences can
> > be finer in gradation than the system allows us to compensate 
for.
> >
> > I think these differences are to be expected.  I have found
> > differences among Eboni batches, and differences in tone, 
contrast and
> > density among different paper batches.  So the second point is 
that
> > these ABW settings may have to be revised from time to time - 
they
> > aren't carved in stone.
> >
> > I think the greater lesson from all this is that even though we 
are
> > working with computers and digitized images we can't expect that 
a
> > print we make today will look exactly one we made a year ago.  
This is
> > not a new thought but it doesn't hurt to mention it now and then.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Clayton
> >
> >
> > Info on black and white digital printing at
> > http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm

According to PC Photo Mag, Epson's K3 inks for the 2400 cost $500+ 
for a complete set.  Is this cost correct?  Is it per gallon?  Only 
kidding!

Al 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "al_charbonneau" 
<al_charbonneau@y...> wrote:

> According to PC Photo Mag, Epson's K3 inks for the 2400 cost $500+ 
> for a complete set.  Is this cost correct?  Is it per gallon?  Only 
> kidding!
> 
> Al 
> > 

Sounds like they're confused and quoting Epson 4800 110ml cart
prices. Atlex sells 2400 carts at $11.20 each (today's prices)...

Cheers!
Richard

----- Original Message ----- 

From: "al_charbonneau" <al_charbonneau@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 12:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Differences in K3 Ink Batches



 <According to PC Photo Mag, Epson's K3 inks for the 2400 cost $500+
 <for a complete set.  Is this cost correct?  Is it per gallon?  Only
 <kidding!


If you look around you can find 2400 carts for about 12.00 each or slightly 
less than 100.00 per set. If you buy a larger quantity you may get a better 
price. If you are printing B/W with the ABW, the color carts last about 
three times as long as the black carts.

Gary

That sounds about right for the 4800. They're probably confused.

Steve




>According to PC Photo Mag, Epson's K3 inks for the 2400 cost $500+
>for a complete set.  Is this cost correct?  Is it per gallon?  Only
>kidding!
>
>Al
>>
>>  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





>--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Carl Schofield
><scho@m...> wrote:
>>  Any word from MIS on releasing the new UC k3 equivalent inks for
>the 
>>  2400 and 4800 printers?  That 2400 is getting to be expensive to
>run 
>>  with Epson inks.
>>
>>  Carl
>>  On Sep 26, 2005, at 2:48 PM, Clayton Jones wrote:
>>
>>  > Hello All,
>>  >
>>  > Seems that there can be differences in K3 production batches. 
>In the
>>  > midst of working up an image and making test prints (2400) I had
>to
>>  > replace three inks: MK, LK and LM.  The next print had a magenta
>tinge
>>  > that wasn't there before, so the new LM must have been stronger.
>>  >
>>  > I was using 6h/-6v on Aurora Art.  Changing it to 5h/-6v brought
>it
>>  > back close to the previous color.  By "close" I mean that I
>couldn't
>>  > get an exact match to the previous print (5h was not quite
>enough but
>>  > 4h was too much).  So the first point here is that ink
>differences can
>>  > be finer in gradation than the system allows us to compensate
>for.
>>  >
>>  > I think these differences are to be expected.  I have found
>>  > differences among Eboni batches, and differences in tone,
>contrast and
>>  > density among different paper batches.  So the second point is
>that
>>  > these ABW settings may have to be revised from time to time -
>they
>>  > aren't carved in stone.
>>  >
>>  > I think the greater lesson from all this is that even though we
>are
>>  > working with computers and digitized images we can't expect that
>a
>>  > print we make today will look exactly one we made a year ago. 
>This is
>>  > not a new thought but it doesn't hurt to mention it now and then.
>>  >
>>  > Regards,
>>  > Clayton
>>  >
>>  >
>>  > Info on black and white digital printing at
>>  > <http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm>http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm
>
>According to PC Photo Mag, Epson's K3 inks for the 2400 cost $500+
>for a complete set.  Is this cost correct?  Is it per gallon?  Only
>kidding!
>
>Al
>>
>>  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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And this exactly why 3rd party inks bought in quantity exist, and why
I'm moving toward them as fast as I possibly can. This new inkset was
designed, as much as anything to kill them off. It won't work.



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Steven Daniel
<stevendaniel@o...> wrote:
> That sounds about right for the 4800. They're probably confused.
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >According to PC Photo Mag, Epson's K3 inks for the 2400 cost $500+
> >for a complete set.  Is this cost correct?  Is it per gallon?  Only
> >kidding!
> >
> >Al
> >>
> >>  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Carl Schofield
> ><scho@m...> wrote:
> >>  Any word from MIS on releasing the new UC k3 equivalent inks for
> >the 
> >>  2400 and 4800 printers?  That 2400 is getting to be expensive to
> >run 
> >>  with Epson inks.
> >>
> >>  Carl
> >>  On Sep 26, 2005, at 2:48 PM, Clayton Jones wrote:
> >>
> >>  > Hello All,
> >>  >
> >>  > Seems that there can be differences in K3 production batches. 
> >In the
> >>  > midst of working up an image and making test prints (2400) I had
> >to
> >>  > replace three inks: MK, LK and LM.  The next print had a magenta
> >tinge
> >>  > that wasn't there before, so the new LM must have been stronger.
> >>  >
> >>  > I was using 6h/-6v on Aurora Art.  Changing it to 5h/-6v brought
> >it
> >>  > back close to the previous color.  By "close" I mean that I
> >couldn't
> >>  > get an exact match to the previous print (5h was not quite
> >enough but
> >>  > 4h was too much).  So the first point here is that ink
> >differences can
> >>  > be finer in gradation than the system allows us to compensate
> >for.
> >>  >
> >>  > I think these differences are to be expected.  I have found
> >>  > differences among Eboni batches, and differences in tone,
> >contrast and
> >>  > density among different paper batches.  So the second point is
> >that
> >>  > these ABW settings may have to be revised from time to time -
> >they
> >>  > aren't carved in stone.
> >>  >
> >>  > I think the greater lesson from all this is that even though we
> >are
> >>  > working with computers and digitized images we can't expect that
> >a
> >>  > print we make today will look exactly one we made a year ago. 
> >This is
> >>  > not a new thought but it doesn't hurt to mention it now and then.
> >>  >
> >>  > Regards,
> >>  > Clayton
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  > Info on black and white digital printing at
> >>  >
<http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm>http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm

> >
> >According to PC Photo Mag, Epson's K3 inks for the 2400 cost $500+
> >for a complete set.  Is this cost correct?  Is it per gallon?  Only
> >kidding!
> >
> >Al
> >>
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Carl,
 
> Any word from MIS on releasing the new UC k3 equivalent inks for the
> 2400 and 4800 printers?  That 2400 is getting to be expensive to run
> with Epson inks.

I hope to get some MIS 2400 ink this week.  I don't know when they'll be on
the web site.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Clayton,

Could it just be due to settling out of pigments in older carts making the 
remaining ink in suspension lighter? Will your new 'darker' carts become 
lighter with age?

Bob Frost.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Clayton Jones" <cj@...>

Seems that there can be differences in K3 production batches.  In the
midst of working up an image and making test prints (2400) I had to
replace three inks: MK, LK and LM.  The next print had a magenta tinge
that wasn't there before, so the new LM must have been stronger.

Hello Bob,

>Could it just be due to settling out of pigments in older carts 
>making the remaining ink in suspension lighter? Will your new 
>'darker' carts become lighter with age?

Good question, I don't know the answer.  The only settling issue I
recall hearing about was with the big printers with ink carts that
don't move on the head.  Since these carts move all the time I
wouldn't think it would be an issue, but I've been surprised before
<g>.

I'll make a print and set it aside to compare with another when the
cart is low.

Regards,
Clayton


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