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printing with Epson ICC profiles

2005-09-28 by David Keenan

After reading here about the long lost Epson ICC profiles for matte paper, I tried using one (the 2880 dpi, mk one) and printing some 11x17 images that I had been printing using QTR for an exhibit that I'm hanging this weekend.

Now, I'm no expert QTR nor digital black and white printer (yet) but I'm astonished how much better the ICC prints are. There is no comparison in the blackness and depth of the blacks. The ICC print leaps out at me compared the flat QTR print. 

The blacks in the QTR print have a distinctly grainy look. The ICC blacks are tight and solid with no grain. Maybe the 2880 dpi setting makes a difference here since I've been using "1440 super" in QTR. 

I know that QTR is very highly thought of so I'm probably not doing something as best as it could be done but I'm not sure what it could be. 

I was the guy who asked about the inherent value of BO printing last week. 

I also printed the same image using black only using the UC ink. (Eboni on the way.)

Another revelation. The ICC print has a distinct green color cast to it visible in the midtones that was not so obvious when compared to the QTR print but is very obvious compared to the BO print.

I like the ICC print except for the green cast and I'm not inclined at this point to fiddle with anything to try to correct this. So, the more I look into this the more questions that arise but it looks like BO is the way for me to go for my 10 exhibition prints -- not what I thought I'd be doing when I started this project.

If any one has any comments on why my QTR blacks might be so weak I'd welcome them.

Dave.
-- 
David Keenan, ausdlk@... on 9/28/2005

Re: [Digital BW] printing with Epson ICC profiles

2005-09-28 by Steve Kale

What printer? Which QTR curves?  Why not use 2880 in QTR?  Are you using a
QTR ICC profile in your QTR workflow or did you skip that step?
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> From: David Keenan <ausdlk@...>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 12:17:13 -0500
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Digital BW] printing with Epson ICC profiles
> 
> After reading here about the long lost Epson ICC profiles for matte paper, I
> tried using one (the 2880 dpi, mk one) and printing some 11x17 images that I
> had been printing using QTR for an exhibit that I'm hanging this weekend.
> 
> Now, I'm no expert QTR nor digital black and white printer (yet) but I'm
> astonished how much better the ICC prints are. There is no comparison in the
> blackness and depth of the blacks. The ICC print leaps out at me compared the
> flat QTR print. 
> 
> The blacks in the QTR print have a distinctly grainy look. The ICC blacks are
> tight and solid with no grain. Maybe the 2880 dpi setting makes a difference
> here since I've been using "1440 super" in QTR.
> 
> I know that QTR is very highly thought of so I'm probably not doing something
> as best as it could be done but I'm not sure what it could be.
> 
> I was the guy who asked about the inherent value of BO printing last week.
> 
> I also printed the same image using black only using the UC ink. (Eboni on the
> way.)
> 
> Another revelation. The ICC print has a distinct green color cast to it
> visible in the midtones that was not so obvious when compared to the QTR print
> but is very obvious compared to the BO print.
> 
> I like the ICC print except for the green cast and I'm not inclined at this
> point to fiddle with anything to try to correct this. So, the more I look into
> this the more questions that arise but it looks like BO is the way for me to
> go for my 10 exhibition prints -- not what I thought I'd be doing when I
> started this project.
> 
> If any one has any comments on why my QTR blacks might be so weak I'd welcome
> them.
> 
> Dave.
> -- 
> David Keenan, ausdlk@... on 9/28/2005
>

RE: [Digital BW] printing with Epson ICC profiles

2005-09-28 by Paul D. DeRocco

> From: David Keenan
>
> After reading here about the long lost Epson ICC profiles for
> matte paper, I tried using one (the 2880 dpi, mk one) and
> printing some 11x17 images that I had been printing using QTR for
> an exhibit that I'm hanging this weekend.
>
> Now, I'm no expert QTR nor digital black and white printer (yet)
> but I'm astonished how much better the ICC prints are. There is
> no comparison in the blackness and depth of the blacks. The ICC
> print leaps out at me compared the flat QTR print.
>
> The blacks in the QTR print have a distinctly grainy look. The
> ICC blacks are tight and solid with no grain. Maybe the 2880 dpi
> setting makes a difference here since I've been using "1440
> super" in QTR.
>
> I know that QTR is very highly thought of so I'm probably not
> doing something as best as it could be done but I'm not sure what
> it could be.
>
> I was the guy who asked about the inherent value of BO printing
> last week.
>
> I also printed the same image using black only using the UC ink.
> (Eboni on the way.)
>
> Another revelation. The ICC print has a distinct green color cast
> to it visible in the midtones that was not so obvious when
> compared to the QTR print but is very obvious compared to the BO print.
>
> I like the ICC print except for the green cast and I'm not
> inclined at this point to fiddle with anything to try to correct
> this. So, the more I look into this the more questions that arise
> but it looks like BO is the way for me to go for my 10 exhibition
> prints -- not what I thought I'd be doing when I started this project.
>
> If any one has any comments on why my QTR blacks might be so weak
> I'd welcome them.

Well, sure. The Epson driver uses a mix of color inks to achieve gray tones,
which means that you get less grain. You also get metamerism (the green cast
under daylight), and faint color shifts at different gray levels. QTR uses
mostly black ink (including light black), and only mixes in the minimum
amount of color inks needed to tweak the tone. The result will always be a
little more grainy because you're trading three dots of each color for one
dot of black. But there won't be any metamerism. (Using 1440dpi may be a
little to blame as well.)

As to the density of the blacks, it's entirely possible that the QTR curve
has room for improvement. But the point of QTR is that you can experiment
and make curves. It's theoretically possible to tell QTR to put out the same
amount and combination of inks that the Epson driver does. Curves are best
built with the aid of a colorimeter, or at least a densitometer, to read the
patches in a test step wedge, but you may be able to coax denser blacks out
of the existing curves by fiddling with them.

If you really want the smoothest tones, with no metamerism, you need to
switch to quadtone or hextone inks, which have multiple densities of gray.
QTR is really designed for these.

--

Ciao,               Paul D. DeRocco
Paul                mailto:pderocco@...

Re: printing with Epson ICC profiles

2005-09-28 by Shilesh Jani

The "depth of the blacks":  I am sure what you are seeing is a larger 
area of black because the Epson driver compresses the 90-100% very 
severely. In other words, the low-end is not linear, which will always 
make for a more punchy print. But the shadows will not "breath" as well 
as a linearized QTR print. If that's what you like, by all means enjoy.

Shilesh
> 
> Now, I'm no expert QTR nor digital black and white printer (yet) but 
I'm astonished how much better the ICC prints are. There is no 
comparison in the blackness and depth of the blacks. The ICC print 
leaps out at me compared the flat QTR print.

Re: printing with Epson ICC profiles

2005-09-28 by Chris Hargens

I've found that my prints get better contrast and seemingly deeper
blacks -- using QTR on my 2200 with the UC inkset -- when I convert my
image in PS to the QTR Gray Matte Paper profile, which Roy at one
point provided, and then editing the image for printing. When printing
in QTR I, of course, use the paper profile for the paper I'm printing
on, along with other specific settings. However, printing with (again
UC inks) using the Epson driver does seem to produce smoother prints
with fewer dots in the highlights. The problem, as you mention, is
color casts. It would seem that the new Piezo K7 inkset might give an
equivalent, if not superior smoothness, and the scant reports that
have appeared on the web seem to bear this out.

Chris Hargens




--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, David Keenan
<ausdlk@s...> wrote:
> After reading here about the long lost Epson ICC profiles for matte
paper, I tried using one (the 2880 dpi, mk one) and printing some
11x17 images that I had been printing using QTR for an exhibit that
I'm hanging this weekend.
> 
> Now, I'm no expert QTR nor digital black and white printer (yet) but
I'm astonished how much better the ICC prints are. There is no
comparison in the blackness and depth of the blacks. The ICC print
leaps out at me compared the flat QTR print. 
> 
> The blacks in the QTR print have a distinctly grainy look. The ICC
blacks are tight and solid with no grain. Maybe the 2880 dpi setting
makes a difference here since I've been using "1440 super" in QTR. 
> 
> I know that QTR is very highly thought of so I'm probably not doing
something as best as it could be done but I'm not sure what it could be. 
> 
> I was the guy who asked about the inherent value of BO printing last
week. 
> 
> I also printed the same image using black only using the UC ink.
(Eboni on the way.)
> 
> Another revelation. The ICC print has a distinct green color cast to
it visible in the midtones that was not so obvious when compared to
the QTR print but is very obvious compared to the BO print.
> 
> I like the ICC print except for the green cast and I'm not inclined
at this point to fiddle with anything to try to correct this. So, the
more I look into this the more questions that arise but it looks like
BO is the way for me to go for my 10 exhibition prints -- not what I
thought I'd be doing when I started this project.
> 
> If any one has any comments on why my QTR blacks might be so weak
I'd welcome them.
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> 
> Dave.
> -- 
> David Keenan, ausdlk@s... on 9/28/2005

Re: [Digital BW] printing with Epson ICC profiles

2005-09-28 by Steve Kale

I doubt the dMax is much different - same with the grain.  QTR is really
very smooth although we still don't know which printer is being used. I
suspect the real issue is either a poor QTR curve or lack of use of a QTR
Create ICC profile, or both.  The latter, the old QTR way, will produce a
relatively flat print simply because of the linearity of the printer.  But
if you profile that linearity with QTR Create ICC (which is effectively what
you are doing when you make and use a colour profile except that the QTR ICC
profile is simply for the luminance axis) then you get a better fit of the
image into the reduced dynamic range of the printer.  This last part is a
critical difference between the two methods described.  If David is not
using QTR Create ICC it's like he's only using half the RIP.
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> From: "Paul D. DeRocco" <pderocco@...>

> 
> Well, sure. The Epson driver uses a mix of color inks to achieve gray tones,
> which means that you get less grain. You also get metamerism (the green cast
> under daylight), and faint color shifts at different gray levels. QTR uses
> mostly black ink (including light black), and only mixes in the minimum
> amount of color inks needed to tweak the tone. The result will always be a
> little more grainy because you're trading three dots of each color for one
> dot of black. But there won't be any metamerism. (Using 1440dpi may be a
> little to blame as well.)
> 
> As to the density of the blacks, it's entirely possible that the QTR curve
> has room for improvement. But the point of QTR is that you can experiment
> and make curves. It's theoretically possible to tell QTR to put out the same
> amount and combination of inks that the Epson driver does. Curves are best
> built with the aid of a colorimeter, or at least a densitometer, to read the
> patches in a test step wedge, but you may be able to coax denser blacks out
> of the existing curves by fiddling with them.
> 
> If you really want the smoothest tones, with no metamerism, you need to
> switch to quadtone or hextone inks, which have multiple densities of gray.
> QTR is really designed for these.
> 
> --
> 
> Ciao,               Paul D. DeRocco
> Paul                mailto:pderocco@...
> 
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Re: [Digital BW] Re: printing with Epson ICC profiles

2005-09-28 by Steve Kale

You actually don't want it to be linear.  The Epson driver is doing things
"correctly" but with poor colour ink management.  QTR has good ink
management and with QTR Create ICC brings the right luminance management to
the table also.  Don't expect the best results if you are only using half
the RIP.
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> From: Shilesh Jani <shilesh.jani@...>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 18:09:51 -0000
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: printing with Epson ICC profiles
> 
> The "depth of the blacks":  I am sure what you are seeing is a larger
> area of black because the Epson driver compresses the 90-100% very
> severely. In other words, the low-end is not linear, which will always
> make for a more punchy print. But the shadows will not "breath" as well
> as a linearized QTR print. If that's what you like, by all means enjoy.
> 
> Shilesh
>> 
>> Now, I'm no expert QTR nor digital black and white printer (yet) but
> I'm astonished how much better the ICC prints are. There is no
> comparison in the blackness and depth of the blacks. The ICC print
> leaps out at me compared the flat QTR print.

Re: [Digital BW] Re: printing with Epson ICC profiles

2005-09-28 by Steve Kale

Yes and you would do well to ask someone with a 2200 and the same ink set as
you to create a QTR Create ICC profile for your most common paper(s).
Things have improved since the original generic QTR ICC profiles.  (Or if
you have an EyeOne or similar device make them yourself.)
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> From: Chris Hargens <chargens@...>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 18:16:20 -0000
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: printing with Epson ICC profiles
> 
> I've found that my prints get better contrast and seemingly deeper
> blacks -- using QTR on my 2200 with the UC inkset -- when I convert my
> image in PS to the QTR Gray Matte Paper profile, which Roy at one
> point provided, and then editing the image for printing. When printing
> in QTR I, of course, use the paper profile for the paper I'm printing
> on, along with other specific settings. However, printing with (again
> UC inks) using the Epson driver does seem to produce smoother prints
> with fewer dots in the highlights. The problem, as you mention, is
> color casts. It would seem that the new Piezo K7 inkset might give an
> equivalent, if not superior smoothness, and the scant reports that
> have appeared on the web seem to bear this out.
> 
> Chris Hargens

[Digital BW] Re: printing with Epson ICC profiles

2005-09-28 by Chris Hargens

I agree. I haven't been printing a great deal lately, so I've put off
learning the QTR Curve Creation tool, as well as upgrading QTR. I just
downloaded the latest version of QTR and, skimming through the User
Guide, I note that a scanner can be used to create and edit curves. Is
an Eyeone or similar device also necessary for doing this?

Chris Hargens



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Steve Kale
<stevekale@b...> wrote:
> Yes and you would do well to ask someone with a 2200 and the same
ink set as
> you to create a QTR Create ICC profile for your most common paper(s).
> Things have improved since the original generic QTR ICC profiles. 
(Or if
> you have an EyeOne or similar device make them yourself.)

RE: [Digital BW] Re: printing with Epson ICC profiles

2005-09-29 by Nelson Ricciardi

Steve

Nice idea.

I'd like to try a custom profile for an Epson 2200 with standard inks and  

- Epson enhanced matte and
- Epson velvet fine art papers.

If someone has a custom profile for these combinations, would you let me
test it?

I have Eye One Display here. I calibrates only monitors.

I'd like to see the difference between the standard profiles and a custom
profiles before ordering a printer calibrator.

Thank you

Nelson
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Steve Kale
> Sent: quarta-feira, 28 de setembro de 2005 15:29
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: printing with Epson ICC profiles
> 
> Yes and you would do well to ask someone with a 2200 and the 
> same ink set as you to create a QTR Create ICC profile for 
> your most common paper(s).

RE: [Digital BW] Re: printing with Epson ICC profiles

2005-09-29 by Paul D. DeRocco

> From: Nelson Ricciardi
>
> I'd like to try a custom profile for an Epson 2200 with standard
> inks and
>
> - Epson enhanced matte and
> - Epson velvet fine art papers.
>
> If someone has a custom profile for these combinations, would you let me
> test it?
>
> I have Eye One Display here. I calibrates only monitors.
>
> I'd like to see the difference between the standard profiles and a custom
> profiles before ordering a printer calibrator.

Can't help you with the matte papers, but I used the Eye-One Photo package
to make a custom profile for the 2200 on Premium Semigloss (using the large
900+ patch target), and it came out virtually identical to the stock Epson
profile (the more recent one that comes in different versions for different
resolutions). I even printed a gray step wedge with each, and plotted their
3D Lab coordinates, and they had the same wiggle, indicating the same faint
color shifts. Also, the stock profiles say GretagMacbeth in them, so I
suspect they used the same tool, and didn't do any manual profile editing.

In my opinion, the results are very good for color, but not quite perfect
enough for B&W. Given how nonlinear the Epson driver is, it would take some
major profile editing to null out the color shifts. I think QTR looks more
promising.

--

Ciao,               Paul D. DeRocco
Paul                mailto:pderocco@...

Re: [Digital BW] Re: printing with Epson ICC profiles

2005-09-29 by Steve Kale

Paul

We are not talking about colour profiles here.  Rather we are talking about
QTR Create ICC profiles which are used with a B&W workflow.

Steve
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> From: "Paul D. DeRocco" <pderocco@...>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 21:53:32 -0700
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Re: printing with Epson ICC profiles
> 
>> From: Nelson Ricciardi
>> 
>> I'd like to try a custom profile for an Epson 2200 with standard
>> inks and
>> 
>> - Epson enhanced matte and
>> - Epson velvet fine art papers.
>> 
>> If someone has a custom profile for these combinations, would you let me
>> test it?
>> 
>> I have Eye One Display here. I calibrates only monitors.
>> 
>> I'd like to see the difference between the standard profiles and a custom
>> profiles before ordering a printer calibrator.
> 
> Can't help you with the matte papers, but I used the Eye-One Photo package
> to make a custom profile for the 2200 on Premium Semigloss (using the large
> 900+ patch target), and it came out virtually identical to the stock Epson
> profile (the more recent one that comes in different versions for different
> resolutions). I even printed a gray step wedge with each, and plotted their
> 3D Lab coordinates, and they had the same wiggle, indicating the same faint
> color shifts. Also, the stock profiles say GretagMacbeth in them, so I
> suspect they used the same tool, and didn't do any manual profile editing.
> 
> In my opinion, the results are very good for color, but not quite perfect
> enough for B&W. Given how nonlinear the Epson driver is, it would take some
> major profile editing to null out the color shifts. I think QTR looks more
> promising.
> 
> --
> 
> Ciao,               Paul D. DeRocco
> Paul                mailto:pderocco@...

RE: [Digital BW] Re: printing with Epson ICC profiles

2005-09-29 by Nelson Ricciardi

Yes, Steve, that´s what I´d like to test.

If anyone can help.

Thanks
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Steve Kale
> Sent: quinta-feira, 29 de setembro de 2005 06:53
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Re: printing with Epson ICC profiles
> 
> Paul
> 
> We are not talking about colour profiles here.  Rather we are 
> talking about QTR Create ICC profiles which are used with a 
> B&W workflow.
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
> > From: "Paul D. DeRocco" <pderocco@...>
> > Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 21:53:32 -0700
> > To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Re: printing with Epson ICC profiles
> > 
> >> From: Nelson Ricciardi
> >> 
> >> I'd like to try a custom profile for an Epson 2200 with 
> standard inks 
> >> and
> >> 
> >> - Epson enhanced matte and
> >> - Epson velvet fine art papers.
> >> 
> >> If someone has a custom profile for these combinations, 
> would you let 
> >> me test it?
> >> 
> >> I have Eye One Display here. I calibrates only monitors.
> >> 
> >> I'd like to see the difference between the standard profiles and a 
> >> custom profiles before ordering a printer calibrator.
> > 
> > Can't help you with the matte papers, but I used the Eye-One Photo 
> > package to make a custom profile for the 2200 on Premium Semigloss 
> > (using the large
> > 900+ patch target), and it came out virtually identical to 
> the stock 
> > 900+ Epson
> > profile (the more recent one that comes in different versions for 
> > different resolutions). I even printed a gray step wedge with each, 
> > and plotted their 3D Lab coordinates, and they had the same wiggle, 
> > indicating the same faint color shifts. Also, the stock 
> profiles say 
> > GretagMacbeth in them, so I suspect they used the same 
> tool, and didn't do any manual profile editing..
> > 
> > In my opinion, the results are very good for color, but not quite 
> > perfect enough for B&W. Given how nonlinear the Epson driver is, it 
> > would take some major profile editing to null out the color 
> shifts. I 
> > think QTR looks more promising.
> > 
> > --
> > 
> > Ciao,               Paul D. DeRocco
> > Paul                mailto:pderocco@ix.netcom.com
> 
> 
> 
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RE: [Digital BW] Re: printing with Epson ICC profiles

2005-09-29 by Nelson Ricciardi

Thank you Paul!
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> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Paul D. DeRocco
> Sent: quinta-feira, 29 de setembro de 2005 01:54
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Re: printing with Epson ICC profiles
> 
> > From: Nelson Ricciardi
> >
> > I'd like to try a custom profile for an Epson 2200 with 
> standard inks 
> > and
> >
> > - Epson enhanced matte and
> > - Epson velvet fine art papers.
> >
> > If someone has a custom profile for these combinations, 
> would you let 
> > me test it?
> >
> > I have Eye One Display here. I calibrates only monitors.
> >
> > I'd like to see the difference between the standard profiles and a 
> > custom profiles before ordering a printer calibrator.
> 
> Can't help you with the matte papers, but I used the Eye-One 
> Photo package to make a custom profile for the 2200 on 
> Premium Semigloss (using the large
> 900+ patch target), and it came out virtually identical to the stock 
> 900+ Epson
> profile (the more recent one that comes in different versions 
> for different resolutions). I even printed a gray step wedge 
> with each, and plotted their 3D Lab coordinates, and they had 
> the same wiggle, indicating the same faint color shifts. 
> Also, the stock profiles say GretagMacbeth in them, so I 
> suspect they used the same tool, and didn't do any manual 
> profile editing.
> 
> In my opinion, the results are very good for color, but not 
> quite perfect enough for B&W. Given how nonlinear the Epson 
> driver is, it would take some major profile editing to null 
> out the color shifts. I think QTR looks more promising.
> 
> --
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> Ciao,               Paul D. DeRocco
> Paul                mailto:pderocco@...
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Re: [Digital BW] Re: printing with Epson ICC profiles

2005-09-29 by Steve Kale

It's just a little misleading under this thread heading now.

A REMINDER:  to state the obvious, if anyone uses ICC profiles created by
QTR Create ICC (whether using the RIP or not) they are obligated to pay the
QTR shareware fee.  Trust me, Roy spent an enormous amount of time
researching this and programming it.  I hope people realise this and act in
the proper manner.
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> From: Nelson Ricciardi <home@...>

> 
> Yes, Steve, that´s what I´d like to test.
> 
> If anyone can help.
>

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