Digital BW, The Print

-------Original Message-------
 
From: Eric Bowman
Date: 09/28/05 20:25:36
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Epson R2400 profiles
 
I have an R2400 on the way, with the intent of primarily using it for
B&W.  I have a question about how the ABW driver and the paper
profiles relate.
 
If I have a custom profile done for a specific paper, does that also
handle "optimizing" the ABW printing as well?  Does the printer
require a special target or anything, or is all of this handled in the
driver as long as the profile is the standard type?
 
I feel like I understand the basic concept of how profiles work and
have no trouble using them, but I'm just not sure if there is
something special involved in setting up the printer for a specific paper.
 
Thank you -
Eric
 
 
 
 
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> From: David Neely <dneely57@...>

> 
> 
> I read all the time about downloading profiles and curves for various papers
> and printer combinations but for some reason I must not be using them
> properly. Could someone give me a quick tutorial on where to place them in
> PhotoShop CS and how to access them from the printer menu???
> 
> 
> 
> Any help would be much appreciated!
> 
> 
> 
> David

-------Original Message-------
 
From: Steve Kale
Date: 09/29/05 03:20:57
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Epson R2400 profiles
 
David
 
You first need to understand the principles of colour management.  It's not
mumbo jumbo.  The concepts are straight forward even if the technology to
apply them is sophisticated.  For general colour management tutorials see
here:
 
http://www.computer-darkroom.com/home.htm
 
I would also recommend Bruce Fraser's Real World Color Management book.
Understand the colour world and then learn how and why it breaks down with
B&W.
 
When people talk about curves they are most often not referring to anything
related to the colour management sphere.  They are talking about the
description files which control some of the RIPs out there.  For example, if
one is using Quadtone RIP to print B&W the greyscale output (and
particularly the hue) is controlled by selecting one "curve" or blending two
"curves" (eg warm/brown or cold/blue).
 
So you need to distinguish between "profiles", which are most often ICC
profiles for colour work and more recently QTR Create ICC profiles for B&W
work and are used for colour management, and "curves" which control RIPs
(made all the more confusing by Roy now filing the QTR curves under
profiles).
 
I hope this helps.
 
Cheers
 
Steve
 
PS:  Please trim your posts
 
 
> From: David Neely <dneely57@...>
 
>
>
> I read all the time about downloading profiles and curves for various
papers
> and printer combinations but for some reason I must not be using them
> properly. Could someone give me a quick tutorial on where to place them in
> PhotoShop CS and how to access them from the printer menu???
>
>
>
> Any help would be much appreciated!
>
>
>
> David
 
 
 
 
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-------Original Message-------
 
From: m87507
Date: 09/28/05 23:52:23
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Epson R2400 profiles
 
get off your lazy ass, read this list like the rest of us,...and
learn...how's that for a
quick tutorial?
 
 
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "David Neely"
<dneely57@c...> wrote:
>
> I read all the time about downloading profiles and curves for
various papers
> and printer combinations but for some reason I must not be using
them
> properly. Could someone give me a quick tutorial on where to place
them in
> PhotoShop CS and how to access them from the printer menu???
>
> Any help would be much appreciated!
>
> David
>
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: Eric Bowman
> Date: 09/28/05 20:25:36
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Epson R2400 profiles
>
> I have an R2400 on the way, with the intent of primarily using it
for
> B&W.  I have a question about how the ABW driver and the paper
> profiles relate.
>
> If I have a custom profile done for a specific paper, does that also
> handle "optimizing" the ABW printing as well?  Does the printer
> require a special target or anything, or is all of this handled in
the
> driver as long as the profile is the standard type?
>
> I feel like I understand the basic concept of how profiles work and
> have no trouble using them, but I'm just not sure if there is
> something special involved in setting up the printer for a specific
paper.
>
> Thank you -
> Eric
>
>
>
>
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> learn...how's that for a 
> quick tutorial?
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "David Neely" 
> <dneely57@c...> wrote:
> > 
> > I read all the time about downloading profiles and curves for 
> various papers
> > and printer combinations but for some reason I must not be using 
> them
> > properly. Could someone give me a quick tutorial on where to place 
> them in
> > PhotoShop CS and how to access them from the printer menu???
> > 
> > Any help would be much appreciated!
> > 
> > David
> >  
> >  
> > -------Original Message-------
> >  
> > From: Eric Bowman
> > Date: 09/28/05 20:25:36
> > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Digital BW] Epson R2400 profiles
> >  
> > I have an R2400 on the way, with the intent of primarily using it 
> for
> > B&W.  I have a question about how the ABW driver and the paper
> > profiles relate.
> >  
> > If I have a custom profile done for a specific paper, does that also
> > handle "optimizing" the ABW printing as well?  Does the printer
> > require a special target or anything, or is all of this handled in 
> the
> > driver as long as the profile is the standard type?
> >  
> > I feel like I understand the basic concept of how profiles work and
> > have no trouble using them, but I'm just not sure if there is
> > something special involved in setting up the printer for a specific 
> paper.
> >  
> > Thank you -
> > Eric
> >  
> >  
> >  
> >  
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> > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE 
> PRINT
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> > "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT
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> LIABLE TO YOU
> > FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR 
> EXEMPLARY
> > DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, 
> GOODWILL
> >  USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE  "OWNER" 
> AND "MODERATORS"
> > OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE 
> POSSIBILITY OF
> > SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE 
> THE
> > DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR 
> ALTERATION
> > OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY 
> THIRD
> > PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER 
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> > RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP.
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