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Wilhelm's Integrity

Wilhelm's Integrity

2005-10-12 by claudej1@aol.com

Back in 1993, I paid full price for Wilhem's book and read most of it. I was 
shocked when I read, in chapter 8, about how many portrait photographers lost 
their business over faded prints from Kodak. Wilhelm was a "starving 
scientist" then and really believed in what he was doing. The only difference now is 
people give a damn BECAUSE of inkjet while no photographer I knew (of hundreds) 
back then wanted to switch to the superior Fuji paper because Kodak had a 
monopoly on American Portrait labs.

Wilhelm told the truth and Kodak couldn't stop him. The only difference now, 
is he's got money and credibility by way of the internet, but he has paid his 
dues for sure.

Inkjet, being new, has created a double standard, like most things digital. 
It's easy to pixel peep a file and put a loupe to an inkjet print. No one ever 
did that to a darkroom print or bought a microscope to examine film grain.

Trust Wilhelm, he's one of the good guys.

Claude

In a message dated 10/12/2005 7:52:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com writes:
As far as I know, he has never produced a test for a client that they 
didn't like. That's not to say that Kodak has no self interest 
either, but they have a very long history of great research and 
integrity.

FWIW,

Tom O'Connell


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Re: Wilhelm's Integrity

2005-10-12 by john dean

I agree. If he was out to get rich this wouldn't be the way to
proceed. It is a lot of work and if there was anything easy or certain
about it there would be lot of people out there emulating him, there
aren't. No matter what he does he's gonna have half the people out
there mad at him for one reason or another at any point in time. He's
gotten used to that. He's no anti-corporate Ralph Nader but then he
never claimed to be one.

Re: [Digital BW] Wilhelm's Integrity

2005-10-12 by Barry Koblenz

I second that perspective. I hosted Henry sometime back at a symposium on Digital vs. Film at the
School of Visual Arts in NYC. His reputation preceded him and our experience w/ his visit only
confirmed his integrity. He is very personable, easy to talk to, infact, almost humble. BTW, he
did mention the lawsuit against Kodak about the Fading prints which turned out favorably for
photographers. 

Curious about the double standard. A classmate of mine in '93 created an image for a NY Times
article on John Grisham. They rejected the print from a Kodak XL7700 Dye-Sub printer because they
could "see the dots" under high magnification. In-house pubs had used this type of output media
w/out issue. A decision, it was felt, made out of ignorance. My classmate has gone on to great
things.  -Barry

--- claudej1@... wrote:
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> Back in 1993, I paid full price for Wilhem's book and read most of it. I was 
> shocked when I read, in chapter 8, about how many portrait photographers lost 
> their business over faded prints from Kodak. Wilhelm was a "starving 
> scientist" then and really believed in what he was doing. The only difference now is 
> people give a damn BECAUSE of inkjet while no photographer I knew (of hundreds) 
> back then wanted to switch to the superior Fuji paper because Kodak had a 
> monopoly on American Portrait labs.
> 
> Wilhelm told the truth and Kodak couldn't stop him. The only difference now, 
> is he's got money and credibility by way of the internet, but he has paid his 
> dues for sure.
> 
> Inkjet, being new, has created a double standard, like most things digital. 
> It's easy to pixel peep a file and put a loupe to an inkjet print. No one ever 
> did that to a darkroom print or bought a microscope to examine film grain.
> 
> Trust Wilhelm, he's one of the good guys.
> 
> Claude
> 
> In a message dated 10/12/2005 7:52:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
> DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com writes:
> As far as I know, he has never produced a test for a client that they 
> didn't like. That's not to say that Kodak has no self interest 
> either, but they have a very long history of great research and 
> integrity.
> 
> FWIW,
> 
> Tom O'Connell
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
>

Inks

2005-10-12 by Richard

Has anyone used inks from this company....

http://kalvins.com/products/inkjetfind.asp

if So, how did they fare with espon printer c84 c86 ???

Thanks -
Richard

Re: Inks

2005-10-12 by Greg

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Richard 
<cms01@t...> wrote:
>
> Has anyone used inks from this company....
> 
> http://kalvins.com/products/inkjetfind.asp
> 
> if So, how did they fare with espon printer c84 c86 ???
> 
> Thanks -
> Richard
>

No idea, here's what I did:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1003&message=14855795

It's working very well so far!

Inks

2005-10-13 by Richard

Has anyone used inks from this company....

http://kalvins.com/products/inkjetfind.asp

if So, how did they fare with espon printer c84 c86 ???

Thanks -
Richard

Re: Inks

2005-10-13 by Greg

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Richard 
<cms01@t...> wrote:
>
> Has anyone used inks from this company....
> 
> http://kalvins.com/products/inkjetfind.asp
> 
> if So, how did they fare with espon printer c84 c86 ???
> 
> Thanks -
> Richard
>

So the first time wasn't enough?

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/message/688
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Re: [Digital BW] Re: Inks

2005-10-13 by Richard

Sorry, I did get my question answered..
NOT Looking to purchase a ink system.

Richard
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On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 21:21:07 -0400, Greg <dfaprinting@...> wrote:

> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Richard
> <cms01@t...> wrote:
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>> Has anyone used inks from this company....
>>
>> http://kalvins.com/products/inkjetfind.asp
>>
>> if So, how did they fare with espon printer c84 c86 ???
>>
>> Thanks -
>> Richard
>>
>
> So the first time wasn't enough?
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