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2005-10-18 by colingruk
http://www.hawkmtnartpapers.com/ Do you have this image posted anywhere? It is difficult from Greece to get to Photo Plus Expo in NYC. Well not difficult exactly, but a trifle expensive! Best regards, Colin
2005-10-18 by Clayton Jones
Thank you Colin, > http://www.hawkmtnartpapers.com/ >Do you have this image posted anywhere? Not at the moment, but I'll try to get it up on my web site in the next day or so and will let you know here. Besides being surprised and pleased in general, it was a special treat because it was taken with my Pro-1, which speaks well for that nifty little camera. It was also my first serious attempt with the 2400 (11x14), so I take it as an asupicious beginning and a good omen <g>. >It is difficult from Greece to get to Photo Plus Expo in NYC. >Well not difficult exactly, but a trifle expensive! Yes, a long way to go, and NY hotel rooms probably aren't cheap either. But it probably would be fun to go to one of those shows sometime. There was a PMA in Orlando a few years ago but I couldn't get up enough steam to go see it (a 2.5 hr drive). I sent in another print, an 11x14 BO print of the "Pillar and Staircase" church interior. It didn't win a prize but they liked it well enough that they are including it in the show. So it's nice that a BO print will be there as well. My understanding is the exhibit will travel to all the major photo shows during the coming season, including PMA next spring. Regards, Clayton Info on black and white digital printing at http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm
2005-10-18 by David Keenan
I hate to be the cynic around here but... Does it strike any one else as, um, curious that Clayton was awarded these honors by a company that makes photographic ink jet paper and Clayton enjoys the reputation where his word is gold as far as which papers the rest of us should buy and use? Now, I haven't seen his image and perhaps it is truly wonderful and given his reputation, it probably is. I would hope that Hawk Mountain truly did pick their winners in a completely blind way -- and they probably did. Still, in these increasing sad days where it is gets harder and harder to know who to trust, I just find this worthy of comment. Okay, I've ducked and covered and am awaiting the flames that this message will probably invoke... ;) Dave. -- David Keenan, ausdlk@... on 10/18/2005
2005-10-18 by Michael Vendrell
David, I think this would have been better saved for your private musings or communicated to Hawk Mountain - or, at least, saved until you saw Clayton's photograph. Otherwise, it just comes off as mean-spirited sour grapes and you should not only "duck and cover" , but be ashamed. Clayton - CONGRATULATIONS!...michael --- David Keenan <ausdlk@...> wrote: > I hate to be the cynic around here but... > > Does it strike any one else as, um, curious that > Clayton was awarded these honors by a company that > makes photographic ink jet paper and Clayton enjoys > the reputation where his word is gold as far as > which papers the rest of us should buy and use? > > Now, I haven't seen his image and perhaps it is > truly wonderful and given his reputation, it > probably is. > > I would hope that Hawk Mountain truly did pick their > winners in a completely blind way -- and they > probably did. > > Still, in these increasing sad days where it is gets > harder and harder to know who to trust, I just find > this worthy of comment. > > Okay, I've ducked and covered and am awaiting the > flames that this message will probably invoke... ;) > > Dave. > -- > David Keenan, ausdlk@... on 10/18/2005 > > > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
2005-10-19 by Christer Rosewell
I second that!
Nasty,
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On Oct 18, 2005, at 7:19 PM,
DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com wrote:
> From: Michael Vendrell <mjvendrell2@...>
> Subject: Re: RE: Congratulations, Clayton, on your success - 2005
> Print Contest
>
> David, I think this would have been better saved for
> your private musings or communicated to Hawk Mountain
> - or, at least, saved until you saw Clayton's
> photograph. Otherwise, it just comes off as
> mean-spirited sour grapes and you should not only
> "duck and cover" , but be ashamed.
>
> Clayton - CONGRATULATIONS!...michael
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2005-10-19 by Elwood Spedden
You're sick
Get over it
--- David Keenan <ausdlk@...> wrote:
---------------------------------
I hate to be the cynic around here but...
Does it strike any one else as, um, curious that
Clayton was awarded these honors by a company that
makes photographic ink jet paper and Clayton enjoys
the reputation where his word is gold as far as which
papers the rest of us should buy and use?
Now, I haven't seen his image and perhaps it is truly
wonderful and given his reputation, it probably is.
I would hope that Hawk Mountain truly did pick their
winners in a completely blind way -- and they probably
did.
Still, in these increasing sad days where it is gets
harder and harder to know who to trust, I just find
this worthy of comment.
Okay, I've ducked and covered and am awaiting the
flames that this message will probably invoke... ;)
Dave.
--
David Keenan, ausdlk@... on 10/18/2005
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---------------------------------2005-10-19 by lulalake_1999
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Elwood Spedden <elwood@w...> wrote: > > You're sick > > Get over it > > --- David Keenan <ausdlk@s...> wrote: > > > --------------------------------- > I hate to be the cynic around here but... > > Does it strike any one else as, um, curious that > Clayton was awarded these honors by a company that > makes photographic ink jet paper and Clayton enjoys > the reputation where his word is gold as far as which > papers the rest of us should buy and use? Well you do point to something that looks a bit odd however having read Claytons posts over the years here I trust his opinion as honest, diligent and thoughtful even when I disagree with it which is not often but it happens. No problem other than appearance IMO. Jules
2005-10-19 by David Keenan
Michael -- >Otherwise, it just comes off as >mean-spirited sour grapes and you should not only >"duck and cover" , but be ashamed. Fair point if I had been a participant in the contest which I was not -- so I have no reason to express "sour grapes". I'd love to see Clayton's print as well as all the other winners but so far as I can see they are not online at the Hawk Mountain web site. Perhaps they are available somewhere so if anyone has a URL, please publish it. Dave. -- David Keenan, ausdlk@... on 10/18/2005
2005-10-19 by Clayton Jones
Thanks everyone for your supportive remarks. Here is a link to the image. I included some thoughts about portraiture and added technical info at the bottom: http://www.cjcom.net/portraitSJ.htm The print was my first serious attempt on the 2400, and was printed neutral-ish on Merlin Smooth, one of my favorite papers. As for this other little matter, I have on countless occasions (mostly in my younger years, thank goodness) had momentary lapses in good sense and said or done really stupid things, sometimes hurting someone. I am forever grateful for all the people who forgave me those temporary excursions to the dark side and recognized that it was not my true nature. Please let's do the same here and let the matter drop. Thanks very much. Regards, Clayton Info on black and white digital printing at http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm
2005-10-19 by Elwood Spedden
Well I was a contestant and I lost to a great
photographer and mentor who is one of the real gems of
these threads.
Sincerest congratulations Clayton
Woody Spedden
--- David Keenan <ausdlk@...> wrote:
---------------------------------
Michael --
>Otherwise, it just comes off as
>mean-spirited sour grapes and you should not only
>"duck and cover" , but be ashamed.
Fair point if I had been a participant in the contest
which I was not -- so I have no reason to express
"sour grapes".
I'd love to see Clayton's print as well as all the
other winners but so far as I can see they are not
online at the Hawk Mountain web site. Perhaps they are
available somewhere so if anyone has a URL, please
publish it.
Dave.
--
David Keenan, ausdlk@... on 10/18/2005
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---------------------------------2005-10-19 by Steve Kale
Clayton - congratulations! Can't wait to see the photos.
2005-10-19 by David Keenan
>Well you do point to something that looks a bit odd however having >read Claytons posts over the years here I trust his opinion as >honest, diligent and thoughtful even when I disagree with it which is >not often but it happens. >No problem other than appearance IMO. Jules -- My point exactly. In some people's mind, however, that makes you "sick" too apparently! :) My comments were certainly not meant to have been taken as an affront to Clayton. Thanks for offering your opinion. Dave. -- David Keenan, ausdlk@swbell.net on 10/19/2005
2005-10-19 by David Keenan
>The print was my first serious attempt on the 2400, and was printed >neutral-ish on Merlin Smooth, one of my favorite papers. Clayton -- It is a beautiful photograph. Thanks for publishing the URL for all to see. Dave. -- David Keenan, ausdlk@... on 10/19/2005
2005-10-20 by Ken Carney
You know, that's really a fine evocative image. Even I as a photographer can see it without thinking about technical details. Regards, Ken Carney www.kencarney.com
> -----Original Message----- > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Clayton Jones > Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 12:38 AM > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] RE: Congratulations, Clayton, on > your success - 2005 Print Cont > > Thanks everyone for your supportive remarks. Here is a link > to the image. I included some thoughts about portraiture and > added technical info at the bottom: > > http://www.cjcom.net/portraitSJ.htm > > The print was my first serious attempt on the 2400, and was > printed neutral-ish on Merlin Smooth, one of my favorite papers. > > > As for this other little matter, I have on countless > occasions (mostly in my younger years, thank goodness) had > momentary lapses in good sense and said or done really stupid > things, sometimes hurting someone. I am forever grateful for > all the people who forgave me those temporary excursions to > the dark side and recognized that it was not my true nature. > Please let's do the same here and let the matter drop. > Thanks very much. > > Regards, > Clayton
2005-10-20 by Diana York~Hawk Mtn Papers
I'm sorry you feel that we would operate this way. No one associated with Hawk Mountain Papers judged this contest. We held a contest for images (photographs and artwork) printed on our papers by our customers. So we "know" everyone who entered since they purchase our paper, and many others besides Clayton also promote our paper among their acquaintances. Many of the prints from the contest are on display tomorrow, Friday and Saturday in our booth at PhotoPlusExpo. Diana York 888-807-2248 Hawk Mountain Papers www.hawkmtnartpapers.com
----- Original Message ----- From: David Keenan To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 5:16 PM Subject: [Digital BW] RE: Congratulations, Clayton, on your success - 2005 Print Contest I hate to be the cynic around here but... Does it strike any one else as, um, curious that Clayton was awarded these honors by a company that makes photographic ink jet paper and Clayton enjoys the reputation where his word is gold as far as which papers the rest of us should buy and use? Now, I haven't seen his image and perhaps it is truly wonderful and given his reputation, it probably is. I would hope that Hawk Mountain truly did pick their winners in a completely blind way -- and they probably did. Still, in these increasing sad days where it is gets harder and harder to know who to trust, I just find this worthy of comment. Okay, I've ducked and covered and am awaiting the flames that this message will probably invoke... ;) Dave. -- David Keenan, ausdlk@... on 10/18/2005 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2005-10-20 by Diana York~Hawk Mtn Papers
Woody, Your b/w contest prints were lovely! As a matter of fact, they are being displayed in our booth at PhotoPlusExpo this week. FWIW - the judge for the print contest did not know WHO printed each entry. As a matter of fact, he did not even know who Clayton Jones is (sorry Clayton <G>). The judge strictly judged the prints in the categories as they were entered.
----- Original Message ----- From: Elwood Spedden To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 9:49 AM Subject: Re: [Digital BW] RE: Congratulations, Clayton, on your success - 2005 Print Contest Well I was a contestant and I lost to a great photographer and mentor who is one of the real gems of these threads. Sincerest congratulations Clayton Woody Spedden [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2005-10-20 by Diana York~Hawk Mtn Papers
I only have the actual prints, not digital files of said prints. I will be taking pictures of our display at PhotoPlusExpo and posting those on our website. I had no idea our little print contest would create such controversy. FWIW, we will be holding the print contest again next year.
----- Original Message ----- From: David Keenan To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 1:14 AM Subject: [Digital BW] RE: Congratulations, Clayton, on your success - 2005 Print Contest Fair point if I had been a participant in the contest which I was not -- so I have no reason to express "sour grapes". I'd love to see Clayton's print as well as all the other winners but so far as I can see they are not online at the Hawk Mountain web site. Perhaps they are available somewhere so if anyone has a URL, please publish it. Dave. -- David Keenan, ausdlk@... on 10/18/2005 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2005-10-20 by Jim Doyle
Diana, Please the print contest was a great Idea!! Not only is Clyton a stand up guy but he also uses other papers..Just read his Article the great paper chase.. As a matter of fact I will be at your booth tomorrow to see the prints.. Thank you for all your effort Diana Hope you have a great show Cheers Jim Doyle J. Doyle Enterprises LLC 114 Old Orchard Rd Cherry Hill, NJ 08003 856-424-8660 http://www.shadesofpaper.com AOL IM: Brokerup99
-----Original Message-----
From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Diana
York~Hawk Mtn Papers
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 9:34 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] RE: Congratulations, Clayton, on your success -
2005 Print Contest
I only have the actual prints, not digital files of said prints. I will be
taking pictures of our display at PhotoPlusExpo and posting those on our
website.
I had no idea our little print contest would create such controversy.
FWIW, we will be holding the print contest again next year.
----- Original Message -----
From: David Keenan
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 1:14 AM
Subject: [Digital BW] RE: Congratulations, Clayton, on your success -
2005 Print Contest
Fair point if I had been a participant in the contest which I was not --
so I have no reason to express "sour grapes".
I'd love to see Clayton's print as well as all the other winners but so
far as I can see they are not online at the Hawk Mountain web site. Perhaps
they are available somewhere so if anyone has a URL, please publish it.
Dave.
--
David Keenan, ausdlk@... on 10/18/2005
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2005-10-20 by Clayton Jones
Ken and Others, Thank you all again for the kind remarks. I'll look forward to seeing the photos of the display when Diana gets them up on the web site. Regards, Clayton Info on black and white digital printing at http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm >You know, that's really a fine evocative image. Even I as a >photographer can see it without thinking about technical details.
2005-10-20 by Elwood Spedden
Thanks for the encouragement Diana. I am proud of those images and really looking forward to growing in my work. And I expect that the wisdom we get constantly from Clayton will be vital to that growth. It is sad that sour grapers would see collusion under every rock. Oh Well Much success to you and Hawk Mountain Woody --- Diana York~Hawk Mtn Papers <diana@...> wrote: --------------------------------- Woody, Your b/w contest prints were lovely! As a matter of fact, they are being displayed in our booth at PhotoPlusExpo this week. FWIW - the judge for the print contest did not know WHO printed each entry. As a matter of fact, he did not even know who Clayton Jones is (sorry Clayton <G>). The judge strictly judged the prints in the categories as they were entered.
----- Original Message -----
From: Elwood Spedden
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 9:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Digital BW] RE: Congratulations,
Clayton, on your success - 2005 Print Contest
Well I was a contestant and I lost to a great
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of
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Sincerest congratulations Clayton
Woody Spedden
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