Digital BW, The Print

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Myron Gochnauer" <goch@...>
To: "Digital B&W" <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 8:04 AM
Subject: [Digital BW] Costco paper substitutes


Is there any chance that the Kirkland/Costco Glossy paper has the
same origins as some of Ilford's paper? It too is made in Switzerland.

And if it is Ilford rebranded, perhaps one of Ilford's other
inexpensive papers will have similar characteristics.

I picked up a single package of an Ilford 13x19, 254 g/m2, glossy,
resin-coated paper that is identified as Printasia Premium Photo
Glossy Paper. It was made in Japan, and cost $27.99 at CompUSA (20
sheets).  It looks pretty good for both colour and B&W (QTR + MIS
inks) on an Epson 2200, but I haven't done any tests or side-by-side
comparisons.  I don't have ready access to more of it, so I'm
reserving it for those occasions when I want a big, cheap thrill ;-)

Myron Gochnauer
BA, MA, PhD, LLB, LLM, Keeper of the Dogs
goch@...






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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 11:03 AM
Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Costco paper substitutes


>    Has anyone on this group attempted to contact Costco's purchasing
> department for the purpose of finding their vendor, or MORE likely
> pursuing
> COSTCO themselves for a LARGE QUANTITY buy of 13x19 cut sheets by
> interested
> members of this group...


Yes, I have contacted the Costco buyer and found him very un-receptive to
the idea that larger sizes would have a reasonably large market.  His
response was essentially that such a market might look large to us, but not
to Costco.

I've had the feeling the Costco paper might be either a giant beta for a
future Ilford or Epson paper, and/or Costco's contract may limit them to the
letter size to avoid competing with the supplier either now or in the
future.  At any rate, the message seemed to be that I was wasting my time.

>
> Is there any chance that the Kirkland/Costco Glossy paper has the
> same origins as some of Ilford's paper? It too is made in Switzerland.

Yes, I think it is made by Ilford.  But, while it's very similar to their
Galerie Smooth line, it is better in almost all respects.  Among other
things, it has a buffered interior paper like Epson Premium Glossy paper.

Incidentally, when Costco was between batches, just before the current paper
was released, they had paper in the box that was made in Japan.  I received
a box that actually had the Epson logo on the back.  When I mentioned that
to the buyer he was a bit aghast, saying that should not have happened.


>
> And if it is Ilford rebranded, perhaps one of Ilford's other
> inexpensive papers will have similar characteristics.


I've not found such a paper.  The Printasia was a disappointment to me.  The
Galerie smooth is the closest I've used.  I suspect we'll see essentially
the same paper eventually appear as a premium paper sometime in the future.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com






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> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ed021us
> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 8:51 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Costco paper substitutes
> 
> Cosco in New England just released the Kirkland paper in 4 x 6
> sizes.   which I use for testing. And note cards
> 
> Take care
> Ed Blake
> 
>  --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
> <paul.roark@v...> wrote:
> >
> > >    Has anyone on this group attempted to contact Costco's
> purchasing
> > > department for the purpose of finding their vendor, or MORE likely
> > > pursuing
> > > COSTCO themselves for a LARGE QUANTITY buy of 13x19 cut sheets by
> > > interested
> > > members of this group...
> >
> >
> > Yes, I have contacted the Costco buyer and found him very un-
> receptive to
> > the idea that larger sizes would have a reasonably large market.
> His
> > response was essentially that such a market might look large to us,
> but not
> > to Costco.
> >
> > I've had the feeling the Costco paper might be either a giant beta
> for a
> > future Ilford or Epson paper, and/or Costco's contract may limit
> them to the
> > letter size to avoid competing with the supplier either now or in
> the
> > future.  At any rate, the message seemed to be that I was wasting
> my time.
> >
> > >
> > > Is there any chance that the Kirkland/Costco Glossy paper has the
> > > same origins as some of Ilford's paper? It too is made in
> Switzerland.
> >
> > Yes, I think it is made by Ilford.  But, while it's very similar to
> their
> > Galerie Smooth line, it is better in almost all respects.  Among
> other
> > things, it has a buffered interior paper like Epson Premium Glossy
> paper.
> >
> > Incidentally, when Costco was between batches, just before the
> current paper
> > was released, they had paper in the box that was made in Japan.  I
> received
> > a box that actually had the Epson logo on the back.  When I
> mentioned that
> > to the buyer he was a bit aghast, saying that should not have
> happened.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > And if it is Ilford rebranded, perhaps one of Ilford's other
> > > inexpensive papers will have similar characteristics.
> >
> >
> > I've not found such a paper.  The Printasia was a disappointment to
> me.  The
> > Galerie smooth is the closest I've used.  I suspect we'll see
> essentially
> > the same paper eventually appear as a premium paper sometime in the
> future.
> >
> > Paul
> > www.PaulRoark.com
> >
> 
> 
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