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Epson Adv B&W - Tint Picker

Epson Adv B&W - Tint Picker

2005-11-01 by Steve Kale

Hi All

I need some help.  I having trouble thinking in CMY(K) terms.  I'm after a strong "chocolate" 
hue.  

Firstly, I am puzzled as to why Epson put the R and G where they did.  You'd think it would 
make more sense to have the R at (53H,53V) and the G at (-53,53) (and applied a similar 
logic to C and M).  Then you'd have some bearings as to RGB or CMY(K).  (A more towards red 
would be +H and +V where H=V etc.)

(10,10) seems close but no cigar.  I feel like I am chasing my tale and printing a ton of step 
wedges.  Any ideas/pointers?

Steve

RE: [Digital BW] Epson Adv B&W - Tint Picker

2005-11-01 by John Moody

You might search for the Douglas meeuwsen discussion of duplicating the
lenswork style.  It went something like this:

Yup...after doing this all day today, and looking thru the book, and
comparing my prints, I found that my 40/40 did not match all of the
prints. I worked it out to three grades of warm, but all three have the
same shadow and highlight slider positions.
My neutral warm is v=10 H=10
medium warm is 20/20
and very warm is 40/40
my neutral is 3/3 with sliders in the middle
my guess is that I will think these are too exaggerated tomorrow. 20/20
might be a good match for lensworks most warm, and 10/10 might be a
good medium, and my neutral might be just a tad warm at 3/3.
the difference between 2/2 and 4/4 is noticable. About the same diff as
20/20 and 40/40

Best regards,
John Moody
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-----Original Message-----
From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Steve Kale
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 4:35 PM
To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Digital BW] Epson Adv B&W - Tint Picker

Hi All

I need some help.  I having trouble thinking in CMY(K) terms.  I'm after a
strong "chocolate"
hue.

Firstly, I am puzzled as to why Epson put the R and G where they did.  You'd
think it would
make more sense to have the R at (53H,53V) and the G at (-53,53) (and
applied a similar
logic to C and M).  Then you'd have some bearings as to RGB or CMY(K).  (A
more towards red
would be +H and +V where H=V etc.)

(10,10) seems close but no cigar.  I feel like I am chasing my tale and
printing a ton of step
wedges.  Any ideas/pointers?

Steve





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Re: [Digital BW] Epson Adv B&W - Tint Picker

2005-11-02 by Steve Kale

Thanks I'll try them.  Having not seen lensworks though I'm not sure if
there warm is "chocolate brown".
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> From: John Moody <moodymz3@...>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 16:50:11 -0500
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Epson Adv B&W - Tint Picker
> 
> You might search for the Douglas meeuwsen discussion of duplicating the
> lenswork style.  It went something like this:
> 
> Yup...after doing this all day today, and looking thru the book, and
> comparing my prints, I found that my 40/40 did not match all of the
> prints. I worked it out to three grades of warm, but all three have the
> same shadow and highlight slider positions.
> My neutral warm is v=10 H=10
> medium warm is 20/20
> and very warm is 40/40
> my neutral is 3/3 with sliders in the middle
> my guess is that I will think these are too exaggerated tomorrow. 20/20
> might be a good match for lensworks most warm, and 10/10 might be a
> good medium, and my neutral might be just a tad warm at 3/3.
> the difference between 2/2 and 4/4 is noticable. About the same diff as
> 20/20 and 40/40
> 
> Best regards,
> John Moody
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Steve Kale
> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 4:35 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Epson Adv B&W - Tint Picker
> 
> Hi All
> 
> I need some help.  I having trouble thinking in CMY(K) terms.  I'm after a
> strong "chocolate"
> hue.
> 
> Firstly, I am puzzled as to why Epson put the R and G where they did.  You'd
> think it would
> make more sense to have the R at (53H,53V) and the G at (-53,53) (and
> applied a similar
> logic to C and M).  Then you'd have some bearings as to RGB or CMY(K).  (A
> more towards red
> would be +H and +V where H=V etc.)
> 
> (10,10) seems close but no cigar.  I feel like I am chasing my tale and
> printing a ton of step
> wedges.  Any ideas/pointers?
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
>

Re: [Digital BW] Epson Adv B&W - Tint Picker

2005-11-02 by Tony Riley

Rather than jiggle around with the ABW Tint control, I think I would be
inclined to get the color right using Photoshop where you can precisely
control it thru the color palette, and then  print it thru the normal colour
route.

TonyR 


On 01/11/2005 21:35:12, Steve Kale (stevekale@...) wrote:
> Hi All
> 
> I need some help.  I having trouble thinking in CMY(K) terms.
> I'm after a strong "chocolate"
> hue.
> 
> Firstly, I am puzzled as to why Epson put the R and G where they did.
You'd
> think it would
> make more sense to have the R at (53H,53V) and the G at (-53,53) (and
> applied a similar
> logic to C and M).  Then you'd have some bearings as to RGB or CMY(K).  (A
more towards red
> would be +H and +V where H=V etc.)
> 
> (10,10) seems close but no cigar.  I feel like I am chasing my tale and
printing a ton of step
> wedges.  Any ideas/pointers?
>

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