Digital BW, The Print

I'm wondering about people's experience with the quality and 
consistency of the Hawk Mountain papers.  After my recent problems with 
Premiere I'm a bit gun shy about smaller brands.  The low cost of 
seemingly good papers from Hawk Mountain is part of what raises the 
question for me (I guess).  I am particularly looking at the Merlin 
Natural. 

Thanks,
Walt

I have had consistently good experience with Hawk
Mountain. Suggest you give Diana York a call at Hawk
Mt so she can give you the details and comfort you
need.

Woody Spedden

--- wwodets <odets@...> wrote:


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I'm wondering about people's experience with the
quality and 
consistency of the Hawk Mountain papers.  After my
recent problems with 
Premiere I'm a bit gun shy about smaller brands.  The
low cost of 
seemingly good papers from Hawk Mountain is part of
what raises the 
question for me (I guess).  I am particularly looking
at the Merlin 
Natural. 

Thanks,
Walt






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My experience with Hawk Mountain matches Woody's. Good product and
very friendly, easy to deal with people. 

There is a real advantage to dealing with smaller sized businesses
dealing with our niche market instead of some huge company where our
entire slice of the market is insignficant. 

Bob Michaels

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Elwood Spedden
<elwood@w...> wrote:

>
> I have had consistently good experience with Hawk
> Mountain. Suggest you give Diana York a call at Hawk
> Mt so she can give you the details and comfort you
> need.
> 
> Woody Spedden
> 
> --- wwodets <odets@c...> wrote:
> 
> 
> ---------------------------------
> I'm wondering about people's experience with the
> quality and 
> consistency of the Hawk Mountain papers.  After my
> recent problems with 
> Premiere I'm a bit gun shy about smaller brands.  The
> low cost of 
> seemingly good papers from Hawk Mountain is part of
> what raises the 
> question for me (I guess).  I am particularly looking
> at the Merlin 
> Natural. 
> 
> Thanks,
> Walt
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Something to note:

Notice that Hawk Mountain sells what they call proofing quality 
papers made of the same materials as the premium papers. No one can 
be 100%. They seem to catch most of the blemished bits and use them 
for other things. That should even things out to less defective 
premium product that ships.

The only real negative I can find is dmax on some papers with certain 
matte black inks. I don't remember which papers were good, and which 
papers were not, it's on the list to test for my paper swatch book. 
Last time I tested with Eboni black, and two papers and all the 
canvas were good, but several papers had a low dmax. Different inks, 
different RIP, more control. The Innova papers turned out better this 
time, I'm hoping that most of the Hawk Mountain papers will turn out 
better this time too.