Digital BW, The Print

While looking for a way to make ICC profiles in Photoshop 
(with Kodak Custom Color Tools) that convert RGB color images 
to monochrome RGB with the spectral sensitivity of  specific 
B&W films I see that the Channel Mixer preview blocks the 
output choices. That is with Photoshop CS (1). If I select 
monochrome and use the sliders to get the desired effect and 
then deselect monochrome to color again I can't save the 
result as a color image, it will output monochrome instead as 
if I kept that monochrome choice. If I stay in color all the 
time it allows color output. Is this a (known) bug or a 
feature ? :-)

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           Ernst Dinkla


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I think I am following what you are saying, but it seems to work fine  
in CS2, it stays as RGB
Mark

On Dec 17, 2005, at 4:03 PM, Ernst Dinkla wrote:

> While looking for a way to make ICC profiles in Photoshop
> (with Kodak Custom Color Tools) that convert RGB color images
> to monochrome RGB with the spectral sensitivity of  specific
> B&W films I see that the Channel Mixer preview blocks the
> output choices. That is with Photoshop CS (1). If I select
> monochrome and use the sliders to get the desired effect and
> then deselect monochrome to color again I can't save the
> result as a color image, it will output monochrome instead as
> if I kept that monochrome choice. If I stay in color all the
> time it allows color output. Is this a (known) bug or a
> feature ? :-)
>
>                     --
>            Ernst Dinkla
>
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Ok, I'm sure I'm missing something obvious, but in the print settings  
dialog on my new 2400, three paper types are disabled: Velvet Fine  
Art, Watercolor/Radiant White, and Ultrasmooth Fine Art. They're  
missing whether I'm using matte or photo black ink. Driver version is  
2.53. Clayton's workflow prefers Velvet Fine Art for matte papers,  
but... how do I choose it?

Harry

You need to have the right paper source - manual feed.  The driver knows
these papers can't be fed through the regular feeder and so when that is
selected they are disabled.  Makes a lot of sense when you get the hang of
it.

> From: Harry Saddler <hsaddler@...>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 15:58:14 -0800
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Digital BW] Missing media types in 2400 driver
> 
> Ok, I'm sure I'm missing something obvious, but in the print settings
> dialog on my new 2400, three paper types are disabled: Velvet Fine
> Art, Watercolor/Radiant White, and Ultrasmooth Fine Art. They're
> missing whether I'm using matte or photo black ink. Driver version is
> 2.53. Clayton's workflow prefers Velvet Fine Art for matte papers,
> but... how do I choose it?
> 
> Harry

I haven't upgraded to CS2 either CS works as you've described.
As a workaround one can do Mixer thing on a separate layer set to
luminosity mode. Regards
>

Ok, I knew I'd figure it out right after clicking the send button....  
you have to select page setup: "Manual - roll" instead of "Standard".  
Sheesh. Bad menu labeling if you ask me (trying to cover my  
embarrassment).

Harry

On Dec 17, 2005, at 3:58 PM, Harry Saddler wrote:

> Ok, I'm sure I'm missing something obvious, but in the print settings
> dialog on my new 2400, three paper types are disabled: Velvet Fine
> Art, Watercolor/Radiant White, and Ultrasmooth Fine Art. They're
> missing whether I'm using matte or photo black ink. Driver version is
> 2.53. Clayton's workflow prefers Velvet Fine Art for matte papers,
> but... how do I choose it?
>
> Harry
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I read "manual - roll" as "roll feed", not "manual sheet feed and  
roll feed". I plead not guilty on the grounds of overthinking the  
problem.

Harry

On Dec 17, 2005, at 4:10 PM, Steve Kale wrote:

> You need to have the right paper source - manual feed.  The driver  
> knows
> these papers can't be fed through the regular feeder and so when  
> that is
> selected they are disabled.  Makes a lot of sense when you get the  
> hang of
> it.
>
>
>> From: Harry Saddler <hsaddler@...>
>> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
>> Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 15:58:14 -0800
>> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
>> Subject: [Digital BW] Missing media types in 2400 driver
>>
>> Ok, I'm sure I'm missing something obvious, but in the print settings
>> dialog on my new 2400, three paper types are disabled: Velvet Fine
>> Art, Watercolor/Radiant White, and Ultrasmooth Fine Art. They're
>> missing whether I'm using matte or photo black ink. Driver version is
>> 2.53. Clayton's workflow prefers Velvet Fine Art for matte papers,
>> but... how do I choose it?
>>
>> Harry
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Ernst,

I've noticed what you describe (I think), so I checked Photoshop6 
Channel Mixer and here's how my version works:

With an 8 bit RGB image, select Channel Mixer, click Monochrome, then 
un-click it. The image loses color but the file remains an RGB file with 
the same data in all three channels.  When Monochrome is off, you have a 
choice of R, G or B channels in the Output Channel menu instead of Gray 
when Monochrome was checked ON, but there doesn't really seem to be any 
difference among the three channels when switching the Output Channel 
colors.

I suppose that, if you were to need a monochrome version of a color 
image to layer into another RGB file, this is one way to do it. I don't 
see any other use for it.

Regards,

Frank

Anyone here use the Gimp with their 2400 instead of PS?

Frank Vincent

Photoshop is not a print driver

> From: Frank Vincent <hollidaypr@...>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 22:13:06 -0600
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Digital BW] Epson 2400 and Gimp
> 
> Anyone here use the Gimp with their 2400 instead of PS?
> 
> Frank Vincent
> 
> 
>

> > Anyone here use the Gimp with their 2400 instead of PS?
> Photoshop is not a print driver

There is Gimp Print and there is The Gimp....confusing....

http://www.gimp.org/macintosh/

Ah my mistake - apologies

> From: John Vitollo <jvlist@...>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 14:47:45 -0000
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Epson 2400 and Gimp
> 
>>> Anyone here use the Gimp with their 2400 instead of PS?
>> Photoshop is not a print driver
> 
> There is Gimp Print and there is The Gimp....confusing....
> 
> http://www.gimp.org/macintosh/
> 
>

pavvelc wrote:
> I haven't upgraded to CS2 either CS works as you've described.
> As a workaround one can do Mixer thing on a separate layer set to
> luminosity mode. Regards

Thank you all, nice to be able to check that not all that 
doesn't work is caused by myself.

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           Ernst Dinkla


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