Digital BW, The Print

Ever felt like reprinting one of the classic images from the 30s?

The Library of Congress has 1000s of images available free in
'archival' TIFFS (10-50MB or more) - including such classics as
Dorothea Lange's Migrant Mothers and Walker Evans shots

http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/fsowhome.html

I produced some beautiful digital reprints on my R2400.

I'll confess I've always wanted to print one of these images in the
darkroom - might try doing a contact neg onto transparency.  But I
don't  think the R2400 can do this, can it?

Regards
Gareth

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "garethjolly" <garethjolly@b...> 
wrote:
SNIP 
> I'll confess I've always wanted to print one of these images in the
> darkroom - might try doing a contact neg onto transparency.  But I
> don't  think the R2400 can do this, can it?

 Gareth:
Take a look at Dan Burkholder's techniques for making contact prints using Inkjet 
Negatives!

http://www.danburkholder.com/Pages/main_pages/book_info_main_page1.htm

John Nollendorfs

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "garethjolly" <garethjolly@b...> 
wrote:
>
> > 
> The Library of Congress has 1000s of images available free in
> 'archival' TIFFS (10-50MB or more) - including such classics as
> Dorothea Lange's Migrant Mothers and Walker Evans shots
> 
> http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/fsowhome.html

Gareth, where precisely is the link to the 10-50mb TIFFS.  All I see is jpegs.

> From: edrudolpho
>
> Gareth, where precisely is the link to the 10-50mb TIFFS.  All I
> see is jpegs.

The images I looked at had TIFFs, but they were the same tiny size as the
JPEGs.

--

Ciao,               Paul D. DeRocco
Paul                mailto:pderocco@...

Follow the link below, or more directly:
http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/fsahtml/fatop1.html

Don't click on the image, but instead the "Reproduction 
number", which is a link. From there click on the image itself.
Next screen displays the various size digital files
available. 

There are many (thousands of) amazing images, but it
is really work to find them. I found a brooklyn bridge
panorama last year that printed beautifully.

Cheers!
Costa

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "edrudolpho" <erudolph@p...> 
wrote:

>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "garethjolly" <garethjolly@b...> 
> wrote:
> >
> > > 
> > The Library of Congress has 1000s of images available free in
> > 'archival' TIFFS (10-50MB or more) - including such classics as
> > Dorothea Lange's Migrant Mothers and Walker Evans shots
> > 
> > http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/fsowhome.html
> 
> Gareth, where precisely is the link to the 10-50mb TIFFS.  All I see is jpegs.
>

Also check the FSA site:  http://www.loc.gov/preserv/pds/photo.html#negreg
They say 8x10" copy negatives are available for $33.

Ken

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> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Farm Security Administration Project:
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, 
> "garethjolly" <garethjolly@b...>
> wrote:
> SNIP 
> > I'll confess I've always wanted to print one of these images in the 
> > darkroom - might try doing a contact neg onto transparency.  But I 
> > don't  think the R2400 can do this, can it?
> 
>  Gareth:
> Take a look at Dan Burkholder's techniques for making contact 
> prints using Inkjet Negatives!
> 
> http://www.danburkholder.com/Pages/main_pages/book_info_main_page1.htm
> 
> John Nollendorfs
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Here is the link to the 55mb tiff version:
 
http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/I?fsaall:8:./temp/~ammem_OfRY::displayTy
pe=1:m856sd=fsa:m856sf=8b29516:@@@

Wonderful site, lots of inspiration.

Ken

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> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Paul D. DeRocco
> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 6:15 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Digital BW] Re: Farm Security Administration Project:
> 
> > From: edrudolpho
> >
> > Gareth, where precisely is the link to the 10-50mb TIFFS.  
> All I see 
> > is jpegs.
> 
> The images I looked at had TIFFs, but they were the same tiny 
> size as the JPEGs.
> 
> --
> 
> Ciao,               Paul D. DeRocco
> Paul                mailto:pderocco@...
> 
>

Thanks.  Hadn't noticed this.

Sometimes the links don't work from the staff favourites and frequently 
requested photo's.  Instead you need to do a search under the name of 
the photo.

Regards
Gareth

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Ken Carney" 
<kcarney1@c...> wrote:
>
> Also check the FSA site:  
http://www.loc.gov/preserv/pds/photo.html#negreg

> They say 8x10" copy negatives are available for $33.
> 
> Ken
> 
>

> From: Ken Carney
>
> Here is the link to the 55mb tiff version:
>
>
>http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/I?fsaall:8:./temp/~ammem_OfRY::displayT
ype=1:m856sd=fsa:m856sf=8b29516:@@@>
>
> Wonderful site, lots of inspiration.

It looks like they only have a handful of hi-res ones online, 15 most
popular, and 15 staff choice. I found a bunch of pictures of Cape Cod from
when my Mom was growing up there, but they were all tiny.

--

Ciao,               Paul D. DeRocco
Paul                mailto:pderocco@...

> It looks like they only have a handful of hi-res ones online, 15 most
> popular, and 15 staff choice. I found a bunch of pictures of Cape Cod from
> when my Mom was growing up there, but they were all tiny.

There are lots of others - but it's fairly random

I've downloaded maybe 20+ hi-res Walker Evans over the years (look nice on
the wall...), some Dorothea Lange etc

It's not easy to find which are which.

You can get into the root files by working back along the url from one of
the hi-res tifs - it's broken down into sections. Then you can see where the
hi-res ones are. But you can't tell what the actual image is...  so you have
to keep clicking on one of the accompanying lo-res jpgs with the same
accession number to figure it out.

tim a

Don't discount the 10-12Mb Tiff's. As they are 8 bit grayscale files,
they work out to 400 dpi for an 8x10 print. And these are really great
scans which seem to need no adjustment to print. In fact I use the
Walker Evans image of Floyd Burroughs for printer tests. 

Bob Michaels

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul D. DeRocco"
<pderocco@i...> wrote:
>
> > From: Ken Carney
> >
> > Here is the link to the 55mb tiff version:
> >
> >
>
>http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/I?fsaall:8:./temp/~ammem_OfRY::displayT
> ype=1:m856sd=fsa:m856sf=8b29516:@@@>
> >
> > Wonderful site, lots of inspiration.
> 
> It looks like they only have a handful of hi-res ones online, 15 most
> popular, and 15 staff choice. I found a bunch of pictures of Cape
Cod from

> when my Mom was growing up there, but they were all tiny.
> 
> --
> 
> Ciao,               Paul D. DeRocco
> Paul                mailto:pderocco@i...
>

I'm liking the combination of Epson premium semimatte and K3 inks,  
but notice that I have to reduce the Ink Configuration : Color  
density setting to avoid bronzing in the darkest tones. Is anyone  
else finding this?

Also, the Epson driver currently has no setting for EPSM, but does  
have one for "proofing paper semimatte". I've been using the premium  
semigloss photo paper setting instead.

Harry

On Dec 21, 2005, at 7:36 PM, Paul D. DeRocco wrote:

>> From: Ken Carney
>>
>> Here is the link to the 55mb tiff version:
>>
>>
>> http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/I?fsaall:8:./temp/ 
>> ~ammem_OfRY::displayT
> ype=1:m856sd=fsa:m856sf=8b29516:@@@>
>>
>> Wonderful site, lots of inspiration.
>
> It looks like they only have a handful of hi-res ones online, 15 most
> popular, and 15 staff choice. I found a bunch of pictures of Cape  
> Cod from
> when my Mom was growing up there, but they were all tiny.
>
> --
>
> Ciao,               Paul D. DeRocco
> Paul                mailto:pderocco@...
>
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There are also some very nice high res scans of 5x7 B&W negatives in the Matson negative 
collection from the middle east.  Here is one of taken in the Crusader Church at Abou 
Gosh:
http://memory.loc.gov/master/pnp/matpc/14700/14776u.tif

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "garethjolly" <garethjolly@b...> 
wrote:

>
> Ever felt like reprinting one of the classic images from the 30s?
> 
> The Library of Congress has 1000s of images available free in
> 'archival' TIFFS (10-50MB or more) - including such classics as
> Dorothea Lange's Migrant Mothers and Walker Evans shots
> 
> http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/fsowhome.html
> 
> I produced some beautiful digital reprints on my R2400.
> 
> I'll confess I've always wanted to print one of these images in the
> darkroom - might try doing a contact neg onto transparency.  But I
> don't  think the R2400 can do this, can it?
> 
> Regards
> Gareth
>

There is a company in New Mexico or Arizona (can't find link right  
now) that is printing these and many more from the Library's  
collection and selling them, framed or unframed. They must have made  
a deal with them, I would think you or I could NOT do the same even  
though the images are in "public domain". Any thoughts on that? There  
must be some fine print somewhere.
Mark


On Dec 22, 2005, at 10:26 AM, Carl Schofield wrote:

> There are also some very nice high res scans of 5x7 B&W negatives  
> in the Matson negative
> collection from the middle east.  Here is one of taken in the  
> Crusader Church at Abou
> Gosh:
> http://memory.loc.gov/master/pnp/matpc/14700/14776u.tif
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "garethjolly"  
> <garethjolly@b...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Ever felt like reprinting one of the classic images from the 30s?
> >
> > The Library of Congress has 1000s of images available free in
> > 'archival' TIFFS (10-50MB or more) - including such classics as
> > Dorothea Lange's Migrant Mothers and Walker Evans shots
> >
> > http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/fsowhome.html
> >
> > I produced some beautiful digital reprints on my R2400.
> >
> > I'll confess I've always wanted to print one of these images in the
> > darkroom - might try doing a contact neg onto transparency.  But I
> > don't  think the R2400 can do this, can it?
> >
> > Regards
> > Gareth



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

If you still have the URL for the Cape Cod pictures you found, Paul, 
please post it. Thanks.
--
Sam

>  > From: Ken Carney
>>
>>  Here is the link to the 55mb tiff version:
>>
>>
>>http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/I?fsaall:8:./temp/~ammem_OfRY::displayT
>ype=1:m856sd=fsa:m856sf=8b29516:@@@>
>>
>>  Wonderful site, lots of inspiration.
>
>It looks like they only have a handful of hi-res ones online, 15 most
>popular, and 15 staff choice. I found a bunch of pictures of Cape Cod from
>when my Mom was growing up there, but they were all tiny.
>
>--
>
>Ciao,               Paul D. DeRocco
>Paul                mailto:pderocco@...

> There is a company in New Mexico or Arizona (can't find link right
> now) that is printing these and many more from the Library's
> collection and selling them, framed or unframed. They must have made
> a deal with them, I would think you or I could NOT do the same even
> though the images are in "public domain". Any thoughts on that? There
> must be some fine print somewhere.


See http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/fsahtml/fares.html

Remember a couple of years ago there was an "Ansel Adams" book that used bad
copies of his work that was done for the government.  These images may not
be protected by copyright.  The URL above leaves it somewhat an open
question what one's liability might be for non-fair use reproductions. 

"Generally speaking, works created by U.S. Government employees are not
eligible for copyright protection in the United States. However, ..."


Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Some fine print on rights and copying here:
http://www.loc.gov/rr/print/res/258_mats.html
This varies with the different collections.

On Dec 22, 2005, at 10:36 AM, Mark Savoia wrote:

> There is a company in New Mexico or Arizona (can't find link right
> now) that is printing these and many more from the Library's
> collection and selling them, framed or unframed. They must have made
> a deal with them, I would think you or I could NOT do the same even
> though the images are in "public domain". Any thoughts on that? There
> must be some fine print somewhere.
> Mark
>
>
> On Dec 22, 2005, at 10:26 AM, Carl Schofield wrote:
>
>> There are also some very nice high res scans of 5x7 B&W negatives
>> in the Matson negative
>> collection from the middle east.  Here is one of taken in the
>> Crusader Church at Abou
>> Gosh:
>> http://memory.loc.gov/master/pnp/matpc/14700/14776u.tif
>>
>> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "garethjolly"
>> <garethjolly@b...>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Ever felt like reprinting one of the classic images from the 30s?
>>>
>>> The Library of Congress has 1000s of images available free in
>>> 'archival' TIFFS (10-50MB or more) - including such classics as
>>> Dorothea Lange's Migrant Mothers and Walker Evans shots
>>>
>>> http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/fsowhome.html
>>>
>>> I produced some beautiful digital reprints on my R2400.
>>>
>>> I'll confess I've always wanted to print one of these images in the
>>> darkroom - might try doing a contact neg onto transparency.  But I
>>> don't  think the R2400 can do this, can it?
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Gareth

> From: Sam McCandless
>
> If you still have the URL for the Cape Cod pictures you found, Paul,
> please post it. Thanks.

Start here:

http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/fsahtml/fsageogindex1.html

and you can find them easily enough. Under Massachusetts, Look for Cape Cod,
as well as town names.

What's your connection to the area? I summered there all my childhood, and
then lived there for ten years as an adult. (Now in SoCal.)

--

Ciao,               Paul D. DeRocco
Paul                mailto:pderocco@...

>  > From: Sam McCandless
>>
>>  If you still have the URL for the Cape Cod pictures you found, Paul,
>>  please post it. Thanks.
>
>Start here:
>
>http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/fsahtml/fsageogindex1.html
>
>and you can find them easily enough. Under Massachusetts, Look for Cape Cod,
>as well as town names.

Thanks, Paul.


>What's your connection to the area? I summered there all my childhood, and
>then lived there for ten years as an adult. (Now in SoCal.)
>
>--
>
>Ciao,               Paul D. DeRocco
>Paul                mailto:pderocco@...

Thanks, Paul. I live in NorCal now but was married in Cataumet (just 
over the Canal). My former wife grew up there, and I still go to 
Wellfleet to visit one of our daughters and her family. I think she 
might like some prints of old photos of it.

Thanks again.
--
Sam

Thanks so much for posting this link. I found the town and house I 
grew up in and still own! Imagine my surprise to see this house 
documented by none other than Dorothea Lange.
The house is the third from the left in this photo:
http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/I?
fsaall:4:./temp/~ammem_CRiZ::displayType=1:m856sd=fsa:m856sf=8b35568:
@@@

My mom and dad lived across the street at the time this photo was 
taken but lived in the pictured house from ~1944 until their death 
earlier this year (2005). 
This is one of those digital prints only available in lo-res. Does 
anyone have info about obtaining higher resolution versions?

Milt
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "garethjolly" 
<garethjolly@b...> wrote:

>
> Ever felt like reprinting one of the classic images from the 30s?
> 
> The Library of Congress has 1000s of images available free in
> 'archival' TIFFS (10-50MB or more) - including such classics as
> Dorothea Lange's Migrant Mothers and Walker Evans shots
> 
> http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/fsowhome.html
> 
> I produced some beautiful digital reprints on my R2400.
> 
> I'll confess I've always wanted to print one of these images in the
> darkroom - might try doing a contact neg onto transparency.  But I
> don't  think the R2400 can do this, can it?
> 
> Regards
> Gareth
>

No problem - that fascinating discovery you've made. 

You might want to post the name of the photo - I can't use the link
you've posted as it's a temporary file.

Regards
Gareth  

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "opiebreath"
<milt@h...> wrote:

>
> Thanks so much for posting this link. I found the town and house I 
> grew up in and still own! Imagine my surprise to see this house 
> documented by none other than Dorothea Lange.
> The house is the third from the left in this photo:
> http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/I?
> fsaall:4:./temp/~ammem_CRiZ::displayType=1:m856sd=fsa:m856sf=8b35568:
> @@@
> 
> My mom and dad lived across the street at the time this photo was 
> taken but lived in the pictured house from ~1944 until their death 
> earlier this year (2005). 
> This is one of those digital prints only available in lo-res. Does 
> anyone have info about obtaining higher resolution versions?
> 
> Milt
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "garethjolly" 
> >
>

Ken Carney also posted this link, if you can't find a high res version
on the net.

http://www.loc.gov/preserv/pds/photo.html#negreg

Regards
Gareth

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "opiebreath"
<milt@h...> wrote:

>
> Thanks so much for posting this link. I found the town and house I 
> grew up in and still own! Imagine my surprise to see this house 
> documented by none other than Dorothea Lange.
> The house is the third from the left in this photo:
> http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/I?
> fsaall:4:./temp/~ammem_CRiZ::displayType=1:m856sd=fsa:m856sf=8b35568:
> @@@
> 
> My mom and dad lived across the street at the time this photo was 
> taken but lived in the pictured house from ~1944 until their death 
> earlier this year (2005). 
> This is one of those digital prints only available in lo-res. Does 
> anyone have info about obtaining higher resolution versions?
> 
> Milt
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "garethjolly" 
> <garethjolly@b...> wrote:
> >
> > Ever felt like reprinting one of the classic images from the 30s?
> > 
> > The Library of Congress has 1000s of images available free in
> > 'archival' TIFFS (10-50MB or more) - including such classics as
> > Dorothea Lange's Migrant Mothers and Walker Evans shots
> > 
> > http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/fsowhome.html
> > 
> > I produced some beautiful digital reprints on my R2400.
> > 
> > I'll confess I've always wanted to print one of these images in the
> > darkroom - might try doing a contact neg onto transparency.  But I
> > don't  think the R2400 can do this, can it?
> > 
> > Regards
> > Gareth
> >
>

Gareth,
Thanks for bringing that faulty link to my attention. This should 
work better: 
http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/fsa/8b35000/8b35500/8b35568u.tif
Thanks also for the other source. I may well request better 
materials. I'd like to have something appropriate to hang in the 
house.
Sincerely,
Milt

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "garethjolly" 
<garethjolly@b...> wrote:
>
> No problem - that fascinating discovery you've made. 
> 
> You might want to post the name of the photo - I can't use the link
> you've posted as it's a temporary file.
> 
> Regards
> Gareth  
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "opiebreath"
> <milt@h...> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks so much for posting this link. I found the town and house 
I 
> > grew up in and still own! Imagine my surprise to see this house 
> > documented by none other than Dorothea Lange.
> > The house is the third from the left in this photo:
> > http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/I?
> > 
fsaall:4:./temp/~ammem_CRiZ::displayType=1:m856sd=fsa:m856sf=8b35568:
> > @@@
> > 
> > My mom and dad lived across the street at the time this photo 
was 
> > taken but lived in the pictured house from ~1944 until their 
death 
> > earlier this year (2005). 
> > This is one of those digital prints only available in lo-res. 
Does 
> > anyone have info about obtaining higher resolution versions?
> > 
> > Milt
> > --- In 
DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "garethjolly" 

> > >
> >
>

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "opiebreath" 
<milt@h...> wrote:
>
> Gareth,
> Thanks for bringing that faulty link to my attention. This should 
> work better: 
> http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/fsa/8b35000/8b35500/8b35568u.tif
> Thanks also for the other source. I may well request better 
> materials. I'd like to have something appropriate to hang in the 
> house.
> Sincerely,
> Milt


In looking at the file struction, it doesn't look like they have a 
better scan. if you look at 
http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/fsa/8b35000/8b35500/ you won't find any 
large file sizes.

> Milt wrot
> Gareth,
> Thanks for bringing that faulty link to my attention. This should
> work better:
> http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/fsa/8b35000/8b35500/8b35568u.tif
> Thanks also for the other source. I may well request better
> materials. I'd like to have something appropriate to hang in the
> house.
> Sincerely,
> Milt
>
Will you let us know what you find out?  In the past (a couple years 
ago) there were not that many higher res images scanned, but one could
order a print, and at the time they offered one quality to most folks, 
but if you told them you were an academic and needed the print(s) for 
teaching purposes, it was possible to obtain higher quality.

Since the scanning is supposed to be an on-gong project, perhaps now 
one can request a decent scan, rather than a print, which would be 
terrific.

Clay Price

Yes, I'll keep you all informed of my progress. It'll likely be a few 
weeks before I do anything. I'm in the middle of a bunch of work 
relating to my dads estate and the house in particular. Thanks for 
the feedback.
Milt

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Clayton Price 
<clay@c...> wrote:
>
> 
> > Milt wrot
> > Gareth,
> > Thanks for bringing that faulty link to my attention. This should
> > work better:
> > http://memory.loc.gov/pnp/fsa/8b35000/8b35500/8b35568u.tif
> > Thanks also for the other source. I may well request better
> > materials. I'd like to have something appropriate to hang in the
> > house.
> > Sincerely,
> > Milt
> >
> Will you let us know what you find out?  In the past (a couple 
years 
> ago) there were not that many higher res images scanned, but one 
could
> order a print, and at the time they offered one quality to most 
folks, 
> but if you told them you were an academic and needed the print(s) 
for 
> teaching purposes, it was possible to obtain higher quality.
> 
> Since the scanning is supposed to be an on-gong project, perhaps 
now 

> one can request a decent scan, rather than a print, which would be 
> terrific.
> 
> Clay Price
>