Digital BW, The Print

I noted a remark by Paul regarding his use of the Nikon 8000 
scanner, which I also use for scanning both 6x6cm color and 6x7cm 
color b& w film. Is there a discussion group for the Nikon 8000 film 
scanner? 

The equipment manual is thin and I have had some issues with 
capturing the highlights in my scan files and I am looking for some 
help. The color film has great latitude and I know that I am placing 
my highlights on zone VIII and the resulting scanned file historgram 
ends up off the scale (Zone X or beyond). I belive the issue is the 
software adjustments after the pre-scan. Not sure how to make the 
neccessary adjustments. (Also issues with getting the film really 
flat for the scan, but save that grip for another day)

BTW, I have also opted to use color neg film, scan and convert to a 
b&w file thurough Photoshop. Takes a little longer, but I like 
customizing my channel selection during the b&w conversion 
predicated on my captured image (i.e. do the filter work post 
exposure) and what I want to emphsize in my final b&w print.

Best regards,

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Stockdale" 
<dstockdale@s...> wrote:
> The equipment manual is thin and I have had some issues with 
> capturing the highlights in my scan files and I am looking for some 
> help. The color film has great latitude and I know that I am 
placing 
> my highlights on zone VIII and the resulting scanned file 
historgram 
> ends up off the scale (Zone X or beyond). I belive the issue is the 
> software adjustments after the pre-scan. Not sure how to make the 
> neccessary adjustments. (Also issues with getting the film really 
> flat for the scan, but save that grip for another day)
> 


Try Viewscan software and this for film flatness (and possible other 
benefits):
http://www.aztek.com/Products/NIKONKAMIHOLDER.htm

I haven't used it, but I bet it holds the film nice and flat when 
it's used correctly.

> ... regarding his use of the Nikon 8000 scanner ...
>... I have had some issues with capturing the highlights ...

I don't do anything fancy in my Nikon 8000 scanning.  The key for B&W
negatives was to scan them as positive grayscales (14 bit).  The Histogram
can set the end points reasonably well.  I leave some headroom on the
highlight side (which is the dark side since I'm scanning the negative as a
positive).

I just did a couple of scans and used my usual procedure of also scanning
one with no Gem and one with Gem at 4.  Then I can clone over the smooth or
grainy areas as needed.  (Gem is a marvel of technology as far as I'm
concerned.)

I do recommend a glass carrier for silver based films -- not chromogenic
film due to Newton's rings problems.


Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Paul:

...what is GEM?

Thank you.


...anyway...

terry

On Dec 21, 2005, at 4:13 PM, Paul Roark wrote:

>
>
> I just did a couple of scans and used my usual procedure of also  
> scanning
> one with no Gem and one with Gem at 4.  Then I can clone over the  
> smooth or
> grainy areas as needed.  (Gem is a marvel of technology as far as I'm
> concerned.)
>
>

I use the same procedures as Paul, and am quite happy with the results.  Just be careful about setting your black and white points.
   
  Tom Baker

Paul Roark <paul.roark@...> wrote:
  

> ... regarding his use of the Nikon 8000 scanner ...
>... I have had some issues with capturing the highlights ...

I don't do anything fancy in my Nikon 8000 scanning.  The key for B&W
negatives was to scan them as positive grayscales (14 bit).  The Histogram
can set the end points reasonably well.  I leave some headroom on the
highlight side (which is the dark side since I'm scanning the negative as a
positive).

I just did a couple of scans and used my usual procedure of also scanning
one with no Gem and one with Gem at 4.  Then I can clone over the smooth or
grainy areas as needed.  (Gem is a marvel of technology as far as I'm
concerned.)

I do recommend a glass carrier for silver based films -- not chromogenic
film due to Newton's rings problems.


Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 




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It's the grain removal algorithm.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of terry
> lindquist
> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 4:42 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Nikon 8000 scanning
> 
> Paul:
> 
> ...what is GEM?
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> 
> ...anyway...
> 
> terry
> 
> 
> On Dec 21, 2005, at 4:13 PM, Paul Roark wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > I just did a couple of scans and used my usual procedure of also
> > scanning
> > one with no Gem and one with Gem at 4.  Then I can clone over the
> > smooth or
> > grainy areas as needed.  (Gem is a marvel of technology as far as I'm
> > concerned.)
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Doug Stockdale wrote:

> I noted a remark by Paul regarding his use of the Nikon 8000 
> scanner, which I also use for scanning both 6x6cm color and 6x7cm 
> color b& w film. Is there a discussion group for the Nikon 8000 film 
> scanner? 

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/coolscan8000-9000/

> 
> The equipment manual is thin and I have had some issues with 
> capturing the highlights in my scan files and I am looking for some 
> help. The color film has great latitude and I know that I am placing 
> my highlights on zone VIII and the resulting scanned file historgram 
> ends up off the scale (Zone X or beyond). I belive the issue is the 
> software adjustments after the pre-scan. Not sure how to make the 
> neccessary adjustments. (Also issues with getting the film really 
> flat for the scan, but save that grip for another day)

There are some clipping issues on negatives with NikonScan. 
Either scan as positive and reverse in PS or get third party 
software. I like Vuescan and the multi sampling feature is now 
improved + it has the long exposure feature. That takes care 
of most films.

Wet mounting is the best in my opinion.

                    --
           Ernst Dinkla


www.pigment-print.com
(         unvollendet         )

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WETMOUNTING/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SuperCoolscan5000/

Neither is focused on 8000, but there are 8000/9000 users in the wet 
mounting group.

Go to the Yahoo Groups site, browse for Nikon scanning groups...I 
think there's one other than the 5000. 

IMO you may get better and faster 8000/9000 scanning insights from 
photo.net Digital Darkroom Forum.

Nikonscan software is fine for color, but I think most who have 
tried Vuescan for B&W switch to it for color as well: a lot less 
noise(eg no white specks), no grain increase. I'm not sure about 
8000, but 5000 and my V allow use of Scanhancer, which is analagous 
to use of a diffusion enlarger with ultra-sharp lens.

The Nikonscan neg-as-pos>inversion workaround is OK, but it's an 
extra step that isn't necessary or desirable with Vuescan.

Vuescan is no more complicated than Nikonscan, but the front end 
offers more choices, which can be confusing.

The only real downside to Vuescan with Nikon is that it lacks 
Nikonscans ultra-precise optical frameline positioning of 35mm (in 
5000 and V..I don't know about 8000/9000)...Vuescan measures advance 
distances by mm, which is better than Minolta's manual fiddling 
around.

Djon



--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Doug 
Stockdale" <dstockdale@s...> wrote:
>
> I noted a remark by Paul regarding his use of the Nikon 8000 
> scanner, which I also use for scanning both 6x6cm color and 6x7cm 
> color b& w film. Is there a discussion group for the Nikon 8000 
film 
> scanner? 
> 
> The equipment manual is thin and I have had some issues with 
> capturing the highlights in my scan files and I am looking for 
some 
> help. The color film has great latitude and I know that I am 
placing 
> my highlights on zone VIII and the resulting scanned file 
historgram 
> ends up off the scale (Zone X or beyond). I belive the issue is 
the 
> software adjustments after the pre-scan. Not sure how to make the 
> neccessary adjustments. (Also issues with getting the film really 
> flat for the scan, but save that grip for another day)
> 
> BTW, I have also opted to use color neg film, scan and convert to 
a 

> b&w file thurough Photoshop. Takes a little longer, but I like 
> customizing my channel selection during the b&w conversion 
> predicated on my captured image (i.e. do the filter work post 
> exposure) and what I want to emphsize in my final b&w print.
> 
> Best regards,
>