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anyone thinking of buying an Epson 1280 photo printer...look here

anyone thinking of buying an Epson 1280 photo printer...look here

2005-12-22 by mark_roth_505

After only 2 years of owning this printer, 
$300 printer
$200 CIS system
hundreds of dollars in ink
$$$$$$ paper
$$$$$$$$$$$$$ hassle
all internet ideas/fixes...tried/failed
all cleaning/clogs from hell fixes...tried/failed

let's just say, around $1000 ballpark spent within only the last 2 
years, would you want this 1280 printer with these nice bands, 
clogs, garbage?

http://members.acmenet.net/~roth/images/epson-1280.jpg

ANYONE THINKING OF BUYING A 1280 EPSON PRINTER? Please refer me to 
the page where Epson has acknowledged the problems with this 
printer, and the fixes they have gone forward with on their new 
printers, to prevent all the clogging issues, and other garbage 
issues such as the fact that after only a short time period, the 
cleaning cycles suck out all your expensive ink, that it not only 
rips off your ink and your wallet, but it renders the printer 
dead... while at the same time doubling and tripling the prices of 
their new 13x19" printers...?. 

Meanwhile, I feel ripped off, obviously. 

Anyone have any ideas on HP or Canon printers? I'll buy one and come 
up with the frigging curves, if anyone has any positive luck with 
one.

Best, 
Mark

Re: anyone thinking of buying an Epson 1280 photo printer...look here

2005-12-22 by Steven Karafyllakis

Hi Mark;

I totally sympathize with you re the 1280. The original beige 1280 
did much better, the fancier looking 1280s sucked. But in fairness 
to Epson, it was never intended to be run with pigment inks. As for 
HP and Canon, you'll have the same problem unless you buy one of the 
new 24" Canons that run pigments. It seems that of the current crop, 
the 2400 is the only reliable 13" printer worth owning if you want 
to print with pigment inks.

Steve Karafyllakis

BTW-I've seen that problem before, I'm told it has to do with the 
circuit board malfunctioning. Probably repairable, but not cost 
effective.

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "mark_roth_505" 
<mark@m...> wrote:
>
> After only 2 years of owning this printer, 
> $300 printer
> $200 CIS system
> hundreds of dollars in ink
> $$$$$$ paper
> $$$$$$$$$$$$$ hassle
> all internet ideas/fixes...tried/failed
> all cleaning/clogs from hell fixes...tried/failed
> 
> let's just say, around $1000 ballpark spent within only the last 2 
> years, would you want this 1280 printer with these nice bands, 
> clogs, garbage?
> 
> http://members.acmenet.net/~roth/images/epson-1280.jpg
> 
> ANYONE THINKING OF BUYING A 1280 EPSON PRINTER? Please refer me to 
> the page where Epson has acknowledged the problems with this 
> printer, and the fixes they have gone forward with on their new 
> printers, to prevent all the clogging issues, and other garbage 
> issues such as the fact that after only a short time period, the 
> cleaning cycles suck out all your expensive ink, that it not only 
> rips off your ink and your wallet, but it renders the printer 
> dead... while at the same time doubling and tripling the prices of 
> their new 13x19" printers...?. 
> 
> Meanwhile, I feel ripped off, obviously. 
> 
> Anyone have any ideas on HP or Canon printers? I'll buy one and 
come 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> up with the frigging curves, if anyone has any positive luck with 
> one.
> 
> Best, 
> Mark
>

Re: anyone thinking of buying an Epson 1280 photo printer...look here

2005-12-22 by kenstrain2000

Here is a  slightly different view, neither arguing against your
points, nor failing to appreciate the frustration and expense that is
often associated with these machines.

I have had 2 1290 and 3 1270s, bought on Ebay for a total cost roughly
equal to a new 2400 today.  These were all well used.  The 1290s were
for colour with CIS (MIS perpetual archival),  and BO with ebony. The
first was close to perfect until the (old) CIS cart became too foamy.
Shortly after replacing that the printhead failed. 

The second 1290 ran for a year on the same CIS before catastrophic
mechanical failure (probably due to the CIS torquing the printhead).

In that year I estimate 500 finished prints of various sizes from
letter to >6 feet long (and a similar number of test prints, profile
targets, etc.) Perhaps the cheapest printing I'll ever do.
In total there were ~10 days of extreme frustration before I realised
what the problem was.  Overall probably just worth the trouble.

I used one 1270 with a CIS with ultratones, and one with glossy
pigment refillable carts.  The 3rd was a spare.  (These cost <$100). 
  The printhead of the GP one failed after nearly a year of low-volume
printing. (CIS was home made with mainly MIS parts so the cost was not
much, but there was wasted ink - which I never really liked anyway.) 
The other 2 still work, but I recently stopped using them. Together
the 1270s made ~350 final prints.   Perhaps worth the trouble as there
was no other "cheap" and easy way for B&W on glossy at the time.

Now I have a 4000, but am not sure that the total cost of ownership
will be much different overall (purchase cost and ink for cleaning).

My first printer was a canon s9000, and I had as much trouble with it
(quite frequent loss of a colour in the middle of large prints, as
well as no acceptable BW method, lack of proper banner support, and
very rapid fading on most papers).

A year or two ago cheap good used/refurb 1290s were arguably a good
learning tool for the serious amateur.  

I suspect using CIS with 1290s needed a degree of luck, and would not
recommend this combination, in retrospect. Refillable carts would not
have cost more, I guess, and are easier to fix/replace with less
"stress" on the printer. These are not the right machines for high
volume work now that better ones are available.

Conclusion:
Perhaps if someone cannot face the initial purchase cost of a 2400,
*and* will print at low volume with refil carts, *and* can find a
genuinely good used/refurb 1280/90 at low cost it is still a
reasonable starting point.  The 2400 is, however, attractive, and very
likely more reliable.  Certainly takes up less space than 3 12xx, and
prints about as fast.

Ken


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "mark_roth_505"
<mark@m...> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> let's just say, around $1000 ballpark spent within only the last 2 
> years, would you want this 1280 printer with these nice bands, 
> clogs, garbage?
> 
> http://members.acmenet.net/~roth/images/epson-1280.jpg

RE: [Digital BW] Re: anyone thinking of buying an Epson 1280 photo printer...look here

2005-12-22 by Paul Roark

> ...
> 
> Conclusion:
> Perhaps if someone cannot face the initial purchase cost of a 2400,
> *and* will print at low volume with refil carts, *and* can find a
> genuinely good used/refurb 1280/90 at low cost it is still a
> reasonable starting point.  ...

Although the sample size may be the only real difference, I've had the
impression the old 2000P could be more reliable than the 1280.  It might
just be due to the additional cleaning cycles that the pigment-oriented
2000P uses.  On the other hand, there might be other differences.

There do still seem to be a fair number of these appearing on eBay, but, of
course, it might be hard to tell when their condition is.

If one can get a good 2000P, MIS UT-FS or FSN will run in it.  (I suspect
the R2 inkset would also be fine in it.)  There are 2000P FS monotone curves
available, and such are easy to make.  Additionally, QTR Create ICC program
is another approach.  That along with a flatbed scanner could make ICCs for
the FS inkset and the 2000P.  That might make a rather nice and affordable
13" printing system.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

RE: [Digital BW] Re: anyone thinking of buying an Epson 1280 photo printer...look here

2005-12-22 by Joseph Chandler

Help!  I'm new too all this, and you g (all ofyou)
seem to have quite a grip on B&W printing on injet
printers! I'm looking to buy an inkjet to soley
dedicate to B&W printing, but have no idea what to
buy!  I've owned (own) Epsons (currently the Stylus
PHOTO 825, and an Epson 740), and I have been printing
from them.  However, I would likre to really get into
the B&W printing at a much greater level.  Whats out
there for about $300?  I keep hearing about C88's, and
#20's, etc. but which is a good performer (both are
far less than the $300 I have).

Paul, I've just tapped into your site, and I am
interested in the "changes" you talk about, but I'm at
a loss a to what "curves" and "profiles" are, and how
to install them on a printer.  I tend to be a low
volume printer, but will probally increase my printing
if I am truly satisfied.


Joe C. 
--- Paul Roark <paul.roark@...> wrote:

> 
> 
> > ...
> > 
> > Conclusion:
> > Perhaps if someone cannot face the initial
> purchase cost of a 2400,
> > *and* will print at low volume with refil carts,
> *and* can find a
> > genuinely good used/refurb 1280/90 at low cost it
> is still a
> > reasonable starting point.  ...
> 
> Although the sample size may be the only real
> difference, I've had the
> impression the old 2000P could be more reliable than
> the 1280.  It might
> just be due to the additional cleaning cycles that
> the pigment-oriented
> 2000P uses.  On the other hand, there might be other
> differences.
> 
> There do still seem to be a fair number of these
> appearing on eBay, but, of
> course, it might be hard to tell when their
> condition is.
> 
> If one can get a good 2000P, MIS UT-FS or FSN will
> run in it.  (I suspect
> the R2 inkset would also be fine in it.)  There are
> 2000P FS monotone curves
> available, and such are easy to make.  Additionally,
> QTR Create ICC program
> is another approach.  That along with a flatbed
> scanner could make ICCs for
> the FS inkset and the 2000P.  That might make a
> rather nice and affordable
> 13" printing system.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com 
> 
> 
> 
> 


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Re: anyone thinking of buying an Epson 1280 photo printer...look here

2005-12-22 by Vincent Orlando

Mark, I have printed with a 1280, CIS and MIS inks for over 2 years
and never experienced what you are. I only traded up for a 7600 or I
would still be using it

Vinny
www.wulfsden.com


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "mark_roth_505"
<mark@m...> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>
> After only 2 years of owning this printer, 
> $300 printer
> $200 CIS system
> hundreds of dollars in ink
> $$$$$$ paper
> $$$$$$$$$$$$$ hassle
> all internet ideas/fixes...tried/failed
> all cleaning/clogs from hell fixes...tried/failed
> 
> let's just say, around $1000 ballpark spent within only the last 2 
> years, would you want this 1280 printer with these nice bands, 
> clogs, garbage?
> 
> http://members.acmenet.net/~roth/images/epson-1280.jpg
> 
> ANYONE THINKING OF BUYING A 1280 EPSON PRINTER? Please refer me to 
> the page where Epson has acknowledged the problems with this 
> printer, and the fixes they have gone forward with on their new 
> printers, to prevent all the clogging issues, and other garbage 
> issues such as the fact that after only a short time period, the 
> cleaning cycles suck out all your expensive ink, that it not only 
> rips off your ink and your wallet, but it renders the printer 
> dead... while at the same time doubling and tripling the prices of 
> their new 13x19" printers...?. 
> 
> Meanwhile, I feel ripped off, obviously. 
> 
> Anyone have any ideas on HP or Canon printers? I'll buy one and come 
> up with the frigging curves, if anyone has any positive luck with 
> one.
> 
> Best, 
> Mark
>

Re: anyone thinking of buying an Epson 1280 photo printer...look here

2005-12-22 by finnkrogvig

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Vincent 
Orlando" <orlandovl@h...> wrote:
>
> 
> Mark, I have printed with a 1280, CIS and MIS inks for over 2 years
> and never experienced what you are. I only traded up for a 7600 or I
> would still be using it
> 
> Vinny
> www.wulfsden.com
> 


... and I have started using a 1290 with CIS and PiezoTone Pigment 
Inks for Selenium tone B&W printing. ("iQuads" from Inkjetmall/Cone 
editions) 

After some startup problems with CIS related complications it is now 
running fine. When starting a printing session I always do a nozzle 
check. I do it twice as the first one after starting up might 
indicate blocked nozzles that is not blocked when doing nozzle check 
no. 2. If nozzeles still show up blocked it usually cleared after 1-2 
cleaning cycles. I may have to do this every 3-5 times I start 
printing. Clogging during printing has happened in one print of apx. 
100-150 prints.

I believe the quality of pigment inks is espesially important when it 
is used in printers not originally made for it.

I am very satisfied with the prints so far. 

Happy Holidays

FinnK

RE: [Digital BW] Re: anyone thinking of buying an Epson 1280 photo printer...look here

2005-12-22 by Paul Roark

Joe,
 
> Help!  ...
> I'm looking to buy an inkjet to soley
> dedicate to B&W printing, but have no idea what to
> buy!  ...
> 
> Paul, I've just tapped into your site, and I am
> interested in the "changes" you talk about, but I'm at
> a loss a to what "curves" and "profiles" are, and how
> to install them on a printer.  I tend to be a low
> volume printer, but will probally increase my printing
> if I am truly satisfied.
> 

I currently recommend the R220 as the starting place.  It's so cheap that
the downside risk is minimal.  However, it's an amazingly capable printer.
In addition to the UT-R2 monotone inkset that takes no expertise at all to
use, the variable-tone inksets also work on it.  The exiting variable-tone
curves need some modification, but they will soon be very easy to linearize
with Roy's Create ICC.  In short, the only real limit to the R220 is the
8x10 size.  But as a learning machine it is unmatched, and for 8x10 it is an
excellent B&W printer. 

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Re: anyone thinking of buying an Epson 1280 photo printer...look here

2005-12-22 by Stephen Kobrin

Amen. I have used a 1280 as my primary B&W printer with MIS UT-2 carts 
for at least two years with only minor problems that usually took but a 
few cleaning cycles to fix.  

Steve

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Vincent Orlando" 
<orlandovl@h...> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>
> 
> Mark, I have printed with a 1280, CIS and MIS inks for over 2 years
> and never experienced what you are. I only traded up for a 7600 or I
> would still be using it
> 
> Vinny
> www.wulfsden.com
>

Re: anyone thinking of buying an Epson 1280 photo printer...look here

2005-12-22 by Johnny Eades

Hello Mark,

Sorry to hear of all your trouble with this model of printer. I have 
two of them (one for color, and the other for BW). The one I use for 
color was bought off eBay and I have had some clogging till I 
started using the spongeless carts from MIS; and the other for BW 
has given me no trouble from day one and it also uses the spongeless 
carts. I am using the UT2 inks and have had no clogging at all. The 
key part of the procedure is to prime the carts before placing them 
into the printer. I know it's no solution for you at this point, but 
just didn't want everyone to think all 1280 printers were like yours 
unfortunately turned out to be 

Your friend in Photography,

Johnny





--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "mark_roth_505" 
<mark@m...> wrote:
>
> After only 2 years of owning this printer, 
> $300 printer
> $200 CIS system
> hundreds of dollars in ink
> $$$$$$ paper
> $$$$$$$$$$$$$ hassle
> all internet ideas/fixes...tried/failed
> all cleaning/clogs from hell fixes...tried/failed
> 
> let's just say, around $1000 ballpark spent within only the last 2 
> years, would you want this 1280 printer with these nice bands, 
> clogs, garbage?
> 
> http://members.acmenet.net/~roth/images/epson-1280.jpg
> 
> ANYONE THINKING OF BUYING A 1280 EPSON PRINTER? Please refer me to 
> the page where Epson has acknowledged the problems with this 
> printer, and the fixes they have gone forward with on their new 
> printers, to prevent all the clogging issues, and other garbage 
> issues such as the fact that after only a short time period, the 
> cleaning cycles suck out all your expensive ink, that it not only 
> rips off your ink and your wallet, but it renders the printer 
> dead... while at the same time doubling and tripling the prices of 
> their new 13x19" printers...?. 
> 
> Meanwhile, I feel ripped off, obviously. 
> 
> Anyone have any ideas on HP or Canon printers? I'll buy one and 
come 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> up with the frigging curves, if anyone has any positive luck with 
> one.
> 
> Best, 
> Mark
>

RE: [Digital BW] Re: anyone thinking of buying an Epson 1280 photo printer...look here

2005-12-22 by Joseph Chandler

Paul, thanks for the advice!  I'm tired of looking at
printers and listening to salespersons babble about
their products.  They only want to sell printers.  I
think I'll chance the R220 and tap into your web-site
for ideas!

Joe C.

--- Paul Roark <paul.roark@...> wrote:

> Joe,
>  
> > Help!  ...
> > I'm looking to buy an inkjet to soley
> > dedicate to B&W printing, but have no idea what to
> > buy!  ...
> > 
> > Paul, I've just tapped into your site, and I am
> > interested in the "changes" you talk about, but
> I'm at
> > a loss a to what "curves" and "profiles" are, and
> how
> > to install them on a printer.  I tend to be a low
> > volume printer, but will probally increase my
> printing
> > if I am truly satisfied.
> > 
> 
> I currently recommend the R220 as the starting
> place.  It's so cheap that
> the downside risk is minimal.  However, it's an
> amazingly capable printer.
> In addition to the UT-R2 monotone inkset that takes
> no expertise at all to
> use, the variable-tone inksets also work on it.  The
> exiting variable-tone
> curves need some modification, but they will soon be
> very easy to linearize
> with Roy's Create ICC.  In short, the only real
> limit to the R220 is the
> 8x10 size.  But as a learning machine it is
> unmatched, and for 8x10 it is an
> excellent B&W printer. 
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com 
> 
> 
> 



		
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Re: anyone thinking of buying an Epson 1280 photo printer...look here

2005-12-22 by Tom Keesling

Sorry to hear you had a bad experience with this printer. I had my
first 1280 for nearly three years and used a CIS from day one. The
only problem was with the original Cone pitment color inks that I
tried to use in the CIS. They didn't work (yellow clogging) and I
switched to MIS hex inks and it was a great printer after that. It was
so reliable (I rarely turned it off and seldom bothered with nozzle
checks) that I got a second 1280 early this year rather than a newer
model. The only problem I've had with this second 1280 is a CIS black
cartridge that the printer won't recognize. This isn't a printer
problem, but a cartridge problem. (The Epson black cart works just fine.)

So, based on my experience with a CIS/1280 setup, I'd highly recommend
the printer with a CIS setup. And, now that the refillable carts are
available, it may be even more worthwhile to consider it.

Tom Keesling
Indianapolis

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "mark_roth_505"
<mark@m...> wrote:
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>
> After only 2 years of owning this printer, 
> $300 printer
> $200 CIS system
> hundreds of dollars in ink
> $$$$$$ paper
> $$$$$$$$$$$$$ hassle
> all internet ideas/fixes...tried/failed
> all cleaning/clogs from hell fixes...tried/failed

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