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2005-12-22 by bty10195285
I have just installed MIS UT2 in an Epson 890.Not very impressed with the midtone rendering.All the midtones appear to be compressed into one shade of gray resulting in a mushy print.I have followed Paul Roark's workflow to the letter but to no avail.Even the BO print I am using as a standard to achieve is much superior.HELP.Any advice is much appreciated.Pete.
2005-12-22 by Paul Roark
Pete, > ... MIS UT2 in an Epson 890...All the midtones appear to be > compressed into one shade of gray ... Usually it's a settings problem. Be sure there is no profile embedded in the image (use convert profile or print with preview to check). If the inkset is not loaded properly, the test files at http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/Test-files.htm might show that. You might also be sure the system will print with Color Controls checked and no curve used. (No Color Adjustment is used in the driver when curves are used.) If in CS2, use "No Color Management" in the Print Preview. I can't think of much else to suggest at this point. Paul www.PaulRoark.com
2005-12-23 by bty10195285
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@v...> wrote: > > Pete, > > > ... MIS UT2 in an Epson 890...All the midtones appear to be > > compressed into one shade of gray ... > > > Usually it's a settings problem. Be sure there is no profile embedded in > > Paul > www.PaulRoark.com > Thanks for response Paul,I have checked the cartridge loading & it's O.K. although the purge test pattern looks nothing like yours.Density of pattern looks alright but the colours dont match yours.Your yellow position looks yellow,mine is grey.You mentioned checking that the image does not have an imbedded profile but your website says "Source Space- Document:Gray Gamma 2.2." The image must have some sort of profile even if it is untagged gray--I tried this & it didn't help. I have just tried another variation-- +10 contrast,this has helped the overall appearance but there is still compression on the midtones. Maybe I'm expecting too much from the pigment inks but their range does not seem to match the dye inks.Having invested in a printer & dedicated greyscale inks to escape the dreaded colour casts of the standard colour ink sets I'm beginning to wonder about the wisdom of my choice.I think the next step is to try to create a curve which seperates the midtones more, but I am treading in unknown territory here so it will be trial & error. Thanks again.Regards Pete.
2005-12-23 by Paul Roark
Pete, The yellow position ink in the standard UT2 setup is sepia. If it's not, it makes me wonder what inkset they sent. Are the bluish toners in the correct spots? You mentioned you used contrast +10. You're not trying to use curves with the driver Color Controls checked are you? If you use a curve, the driver color management must be set to No Color Adjustment. Some printers are too far out on the ends of the bell curve to work well with radical curves -- which are generic. If this is the case, a monotone inkset with the ICC approach might make more sense. That way, as long as you have at least flatbed scanner, you can make custom ICCs for your specific setup. The UT-FS or FSN inks have curves made for them, and either the FS or R2 inksets would be able to print well with the ICC approach. Paul www.PaulRoark.com
> -----Original Message----- > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > bty10195285 > Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 1:40 PM > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Digital BW] Re: MIS UT2--MUSHY MIDTONES > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" > <paul.roark@v...> wrote: > > > > Pete, > > > > > ... MIS UT2 in an Epson 890...All the midtones appear to be > > > compressed into one shade of gray ... > > > > > > Usually it's a settings problem. Be sure there is no profile > embedded in > > > > Paul > > www.PaulRoark.com > > > Thanks for response Paul,I have checked the cartridge loading & it's > O.K. although the purge test pattern looks nothing like yours.Density > of pattern looks alright but the colours dont match yours.Your yellow > position looks yellow,mine is grey.You mentioned checking that the > image does not have an imbedded profile but your website says "Source > Space- Document:Gray Gamma 2.2." The image must have some sort of > profile even if it is untagged gray--I tried this & it didn't help. > I have just tried another variation-- +10 contrast,this has helped > the overall appearance but there is still compression on the midtones. > Maybe I'm expecting too much from the pigment inks but their range > does not seem to match the dye inks.Having invested in a printer & > dedicated greyscale inks to escape the dreaded colour casts of the > standard colour ink sets I'm beginning to wonder about the wisdom of > my choice.I think the next step is to try to create a curve which > seperates the midtones more, but I am treading in unknown territory > here so it will be trial & error. > Thanks again.Regards Pete. > > > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as > they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same > page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. > Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the > membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W > printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from > the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner > and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files > section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND > "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO > YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR > EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF > PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE > "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN > ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE > OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) > UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) > STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE > PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >
2005-12-23 by scott_w_eaton
Pete, I had the exact same recent experience as you did with my 220 and UTR2 Warm cartridges from MIS. Inks/pigments (whatever you want to call them) are neutral and not warm at all. Muddy midtones, and poor Dmax. Prints are worthless on matte paper. I'm sticking to ink for now and lots of UV spray :-)
2005-12-23 by bty10195285
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@v...> wrote: > > Pete, > > > ... MIS UT2 in an Epson 890...All the midtones appear to be > > compressed into one shade of gray ... > > > Usually it's a settings problem. Be sure there is no profile embedded in > > Paul > www.PaulRoark.com > Thanks for response Paul,I have checked the cartridge loading & it's O.K. although the purge test pattern looks nothing like yours.Density of pattern looks alright but the colours dont match yours.Your yellow position looks yellow,mine is grey.You mentioned checking that the image does not have an imbedded profile but your website says "Source Space- Document:Gray Gamma 2.2." The image must have some sort of profile even if it is untagged gray--I tried this & it didn't help. I have just tried another variation-- +10 contrast,this has helped the overall appearance but there is still compression on the midtones. Maybe I'm expecting too much from the pigment inks but their range does not seem to match the dye inks.Having invested in a printer & dedicated greyscale inks to escape the dreaded colour casts of the standard colour ink sets I'm beginning to wonder about the wisdom of my choice.I think the next step is to try to create a curve which seperates the midtones more, but I am treading in unknown territory here so it will be trial & error. Thanks again.Regards Pete.
2005-12-24 by bty10195285
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@v...> wrote: > > Pete, > > The yellow position ink in the standard UT2 setup is sepia. If it's not, it > makes me wonder what inkset they sent. Are the bluish toners in the correct > spots? > >Hi again Paul,I have printed both test patterns again & there are no colours present, yellow or blue just shades of grey.I have double & treble checked that the ink went into the cart correctly.It didn't occur to me that the inks are wrong.I checked the bottles & the part numbers are correct.I have followed your workflow to the letter--both methods,sliders & curves.Would you mind if I email you a scan of my printout of the test patterns? Thanks for your advice & assistance.Pete. p.s Merry Christmas.
2005-12-24 by Paul Roark
Pete, If there is no color in the toners (especially LC and Y) of the UT2 inkset, it's not a UT2 inkset. Feel free to e-mail purge pattern scans. Do one with No Color Adjustment and one with Color Controls checked. Paul www.PaulRoark.com
> -----Original Message----- > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > bty10195285 > Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 6:13 AM > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Digital BW] Re: MIS UT2--MUSHY MIDTONES > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" > <paul.roark@v...> wrote: > > > > Pete, > > > > The yellow position ink in the standard UT2 setup is sepia. If > it's not, it > > makes me wonder what inkset they sent. Are the bluish toners in > the correct > > spots? > > > >Hi again Paul,I have printed both test patterns again & there are no > colours present, yellow or blue just shades of grey.I have double & > treble checked that the ink went into the cart correctly.It didn't > occur to me that the inks are wrong.I checked the bottles & the part > numbers are correct.I have followed your workflow to the letter--both > methods,sliders & curves.Would you mind if I email you a scan of my > printout of the test patterns? > > Thanks for your advice & assistance.Pete. > p.s Merry Christmas. > > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as > they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same > page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep > them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. > Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the > membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W > printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from > the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner > and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files > section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND > "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO > YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR > EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF > PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE > "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN > ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE > OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) > UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) > STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT > YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE > PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >