Digital BW, The Print

Would it make sense to add MIS 2400 carts 1 by 1 as the Epson OEM
carts expire ? 

Or should I take all the Epson OEM carts out (and waste a lot of good
ink) and put in the MIS 2400 carts as a set ? This is for the full
color set and not the B&W only. I get the impression that putting in
the carts one by one would work well enough. I am now using the PK
glossy with Kirkland glossy paper.

Hi Jerry;

Putting them in one-by-one will work if you're doing color via color 
controls, but you'll have to readjust any settings you use including 
any ABW settings, and the canned profiles will no longer be quite as 
accurate. IMO it is best to go wholesale, or at least do all the 
color at once, and all the K carts at once. Which ever route you 
take, DO NOT use up all the OEM ink, take them out while the printer 
will still allow you to print with them. You may have to return that 
printer (unlikely, but you never know) and you don't want to have to 
by a full set of inks just to do that.

Steve Karafyllakis

http://www.stevekphoto.com

-- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "jerry78008" 
<photo29@p...> wrote:
>
> Would it make sense to add MIS 2400 carts 1 by 1 as the Epson OEM
> carts expire ? 
> 
> Or should I take all the Epson OEM carts out (and waste a lot of 
good
> ink) and put in the MIS 2400 carts as a set ? This is for the full
> color set and not the B&W only. I get the impression that putting 
in

> the carts one by one would work well enough. I am now using the PK
> glossy with Kirkland glossy paper.
>

I was wondering much the same thing for the  2200.  I  still have good
stocks of some of the slow-to-use colours (I bought a job lot of carts
in a poorly thought-through combination).  When MIS finally get around
to releasing spongeless carts for the 2100, I will start with using
their carts for light magenta, light black, matte black etc.  I print
both colour and B&W (yes I know that this is a B&W group), and would
prefer not to have to buy new profiles and/or re-linearise each time I
switch to MIS on one more cart.  

In people's experience, how close are the MIS UC-equivalent inks to
Epson?  Are they close enough to use Epson profiles and QTR curves for
Epson inks on standard papers for non-critical work?

F_P


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Steven
Karafyllakis" <steve@s...> wrote:

>
> Hi Jerry;
> 
> Putting them in one-by-one will work if you're doing color via color 
> controls, but you'll have to readjust any settings you use including 
> any ABW settings, and the canned profiles will no longer be quite as 
> accurate. IMO it is best to go wholesale, or at least do all the 
> color at once, and all the K carts at once. Which ever route you 
> take, DO NOT use up all the OEM ink, take them out while the printer 
> will still allow you to print with them. You may have to return that 
> printer (unlikely, but you never know) and you don't want to have to 
> by a full set of inks just to do that.
> 
> Steve Karafyllakis
> 
> http://www.stevekphoto.com
> 
> -- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "jerry78008" 
> <photo29@p...> wrote:
> >
> > Would it make sense to add MIS 2400 carts 1 by 1 as the Epson OEM
> > carts expire ? 
> > 
> > Or should I take all the Epson OEM carts out (and waste a lot of 
> good
> > ink) and put in the MIS 2400 carts as a set ? This is for the full
> > color set and not the B&W only. I get the impression that putting 
> in
> > the carts one by one would work well enough. I am now using the PK
> > glossy with Kirkland glossy paper.
> >
>

Another consideration is that each time you insert a
new cart the printer will do a purge of all of the
carts in the printer.  I recall a thread about this on
the Epson printer forum a year or so ago.  When the
carts were replaced one at a time people would often a
different cart run below the allowed ink level during
the installation purge, and they would then have to
replace another cart and suffer through another purge.
 If your timing was extremely unlucky you could have
to replace your carts one at a time and waste ink by
purges for each cart.  Your original "new" cart could
be empty by the time you replaced them all!

Steve's point is another strong reason to replace them
all at once and save them.

Mike


--- Steven Karafyllakis <steve@...> wrote:

> Hi Jerry;
> 
> Putting them in one-by-one will work if you're doing
> color via color 
> controls, but you'll have to readjust any settings
> you use including 
> any ABW settings, and the canned profiles will no
> longer be quite as 
> accurate. IMO it is best to go wholesale, or at
> least do all the 
> color at once, and all the K carts at once. Which
> ever route you 
> take, DO NOT use up all the OEM ink, take them out
> while the printer 
> will still allow you to print with them. You may
> have to return that 
> printer (unlikely, but you never know) and you don't
> want to have to 
> by a full set of inks just to do that.
> 
> Steve Karafyllakis
> 
> http://www.stevekphoto.com
> 
> -- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com,
> "jerry78008" 
> <photo29@p...> wrote:
> >
> > Would it make sense to add MIS 2400 carts 1 by 1
> as the Epson OEM
> > carts expire ? 
> > 
> > Or should I take all the Epson OEM carts out (and
> waste a lot of 
> good
> > ink) and put in the MIS 2400 carts as a set ? This
> is for the full
> > color set and not the B&W only. I get the
> impression that putting 
> in
> > the carts one by one would work well enough. I am
> now using the PK
> > glossy with Kirkland glossy paper.
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


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I can't see how this is is any different with just replacing Epson
carts normally.  If one is empty and one is low, you run the risk of a
double cleaning cycle.  

What we are talking about is, for example, when our last genuine Epson
light magenta cart is empty, and the printer still has all genuine
Epson carts for the other colours, replacing just the light magenta
Epson cart with the MIS refillable equivalent.  And so on for other
colours as they empty.

The issue is re-profiling, not cleaning cycles.

F_P

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Brubaker family
<brubaker_family@y...> wrote:

>
> Another consideration is that each time you insert a
> new cart the printer will do a purge of all of the
> carts in the printer.  I recall a thread about this on
> the Epson printer forum a year or so ago.  When the
> carts were replaced one at a time people would often a
> different cart run below the allowed ink level during
> the installation purge, and they would then have to
> replace another cart and suffer through another purge.
>  If your timing was extremely unlucky you could have
> to replace your carts one at a time and waste ink by
> purges for each cart.  Your original "new" cart could
> be empty by the time you replaced them all!
> 
> Steve's point is another strong reason to replace them
> all at once and save them.
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> --- Steven Karafyllakis <steve@s...> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Jerry;
> > 
> > Putting them in one-by-one will work if you're doing
> > color via color 
> > controls, but you'll have to readjust any settings
> > you use including 
> > any ABW settings, and the canned profiles will no
> > longer be quite as 
> > accurate. IMO it is best to go wholesale, or at
> > least do all the 
> > color at once, and all the K carts at once. Which
> > ever route you 
> > take, DO NOT use up all the OEM ink, take them out
> > while the printer 
> > will still allow you to print with them. You may
> > have to return that 
> > printer (unlikely, but you never know) and you don't
> > want to have to 
> > by a full set of inks just to do that.
> > 
> > Steve Karafyllakis
> > 
> > http://www.stevekphoto.com
> > 
> > -- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com,
> > "jerry78008" 
> > <photo29@p...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Would it make sense to add MIS 2400 carts 1 by 1
> > as the Epson OEM
> > > carts expire ? 
> > > 
> > > Or should I take all the Epson OEM carts out (and
> > waste a lot of 
> > good
> > > ink) and put in the MIS 2400 carts as a set ? This
> > is for the full
> > > color set and not the B&W only. I get the
> > impression that putting 
> > in
> > > the carts one by one would work well enough. I am
> > now using the PK
> > > glossy with Kirkland glossy paper.
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
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