Digital BW, The Print

Interesting Steve..
The first time I heard mentioned was last week, and it was referred to as
the "other large Swiss paper company.. Could be the ones makeing the
KIRKLAND glossy for COSTCOs maybe??

Eddie Wiseman

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steven Karafyllakis" <steve@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 8:20 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] Sihl Papers-Anyone heard of them?


I got an interesting call from the company that sold me my 7600
offering me a sample of a premium-grade acid-free satin RC paper last
week. The rep stated that Sihl was one of the few actual manufacturers
of inkjet papers (most companies including Epson contract and re-brand
papers) and they were now beginning to market their papers under their
own name. The price for a 24"x100ft roll is a couple dolars less than
the Epson semi-matte, putting it at about $0.50 /sq.ft. Of course I
jumped at the chance to try it, and am expecting a 36"x15' roll
sometime this coming week. I'll report back on it as soon as
possibleand perhaps if it looks good initially some other list members
who have densitometers might check it out so we can get some hard
numbers?

Steve Karafyllakis





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I wondered about that, Eddie; it'll be interesting to see what the 
satin sample is like; so far I know only what the rep told me: 
microporous instant-drying, vey white surface(not neccessarily a 
plus in my book, matching mattboard has been tough)extended gamut, 
and 11ml 280g/m weight. The Sihl website states it is their highest 
quality product. We'll see how well it matches up.

Steve

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Edward 
Wiseman" <pahts@c...> wrote:
>
> Interesting Steve..
> The first time I heard mentioned was last week, and it was 
referred to as
> the "other large Swiss paper company.. Could be the ones makeing 
the
> KIRKLAND glossy for COSTCOs maybe??
> 
> Eddie Wiseman
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steven Karafyllakis" <steve@s...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 8:20 PM
> Subject: [Digital BW] Sihl Papers-Anyone heard of them?
> 
> 
> I got an interesting call from the company that sold me my 7600
> offering me a sample of a premium-grade acid-free satin RC paper 
last
> week. The rep stated that Sihl was one of the few actual 
manufacturers
> of inkjet papers (most companies including Epson contract and re-
brand
> papers) and they were now beginning to market their papers under 
their
> own name. The price for a 24"x100ft roll is a couple dolars less 
than
> the Epson semi-matte, putting it at about $0.50 /sq.ft. Of course I
> jumped at the chance to try it, and am expecting a 36"x15' roll
> sometime this coming week. I'll report back on it as soon as
> possibleand perhaps if it looks good initially some other list 
members
> who have densitometers might check it out so we can get some hard
> numbers?
> 
> Steve Karafyllakis
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Edward Wiseman wrote:
> Interesting Steve..
> The first time I heard mentioned was last week, and it was referred to as
> the "other large Swiss paper company.. Could be the ones makeing the
> KIRKLAND glossy for COSTCOs maybe??
> 
> Eddie Wiseman
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steven Karafyllakis" <steve@...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 8:20 PM
> Subject: [Digital BW] Sihl Papers-Anyone heard of them?
> 
> 
> I got an interesting call from the company that sold me my 7600
> offering me a sample of a premium-grade acid-free satin RC paper last
> week. The rep stated that Sihl was one of the few actual manufacturers
> of inkjet papers (most companies including Epson contract and re-brand
> papers) and they were now beginning to market their papers under their
> own name. The price for a 24"x100ft roll is a couple dolars less than
> the Epson semi-matte, putting it at about $0.50 /sq.ft. Of course I
> jumped at the chance to try it, and am expecting a 36"x15' roll
> sometime this coming week. I'll report back on it as soon as
> possibleand perhaps if it looks good initially some other list members
> who have densitometers might check it out so we can get some hard
> numbers?
> 
> Steve Karafyllakis

Sihl markets its own papers in Europe for a long time already. 
I also think they are one of the few actual manufacturers and 
coaters of inkjet papers. That doesn't mean they will not sell 
substrates from other sources too. The Hahnemuhle, Sihl, Agfa 
canvas used to be identical and I think it is originally a 
Sihl product but have no hard proof for that.

I wrote that it was possible that Sihl made the Kirkland paper 
when the Swiss origin of the Kirkland was mentioned in earlier 
threads.

Ernst

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           Ernst Dinkla


www.pigment-print.com
(         unvollendet         )

Ernst is quite correct,
                 in that the Canvas was supplied to Hahnemuhle, Agfa and others and was also sold under their own brand. Sihl also have made Papers for HP, Ilford and Kodak. They also coat a No of "Microporus" Papers.
   
  JE
   
   
  
Ernst Dinkla <E.Dinkla@...> wrote:
  Edward Wiseman wrote:
> 
> Eddie Wiseman
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steven Karafyllakis" <steve@...>
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 8:20 PM
> Subject: [Digital BW] Sihl Papers-Anyone heard of them?
> 
> 
> Steve Karafyllakis

Sihl markets its own papers in Europe for a long time already. 
I also think they are one of the few actual manufacturers and 
coaters of inkjet papers. That doesn't mean they will not sell 
substrates from other sources too. The Hahnemuhle, Sihl, Agfa 
canvas used to be identical and I think it is originally a 
Sihl product but have no hard proof for that.

I wrote that it was possible that Sihl made the Kirkland paper 
when the Swiss origin of the Kirkland was mentioned in earlier 
threads.

Ernst

                    --
           Ernst Dinkla


www.pigment-print.com
(         unvollendet         )


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