Digital BW, The Print

Use a third party ink such as Generations or MIS's Archival inksets with
the 1280/70. Better prints in color than the 2000P? Yes. No grain
pattern at all. MUCH faster printer. With a correct PROFILE for your
printer, you can produce quite nice black and white and sepia prints
from this printer. When you have your profile made, tell whoever makes
it to tweak it for maximum black and white quality, as you'll be using
it for this purpose on occasion.

Jerry

jennahy2 wrote:

> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm an amatuer photographer with professional aspirations who
> received an Epson 2000P for Christmas.
> 
> After comparing my b&w test prints to my conventional darkroom prints
> and researching the 2000P on the Web, I'm wondering whether I should
> trade it in for the 1270 or 1280.  I'm focusing on b&w photography,
> however I'd also like to print color photos on the same printer so
> quad ink systems like the piezography system are not a real option.
> 
> Will I have better b&w results with the 1270 or 1280? Will the
> resulting prints still be archival quality albeit not as long-lasting
> as the 2000P prints?
> 
> Thanks in advance for your recommendations.
> 
> 
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Jerry,

I have seen numerous posts from you on well profiled achival colored 
inks that produce good b/w prints (as good as hextones?). Can you 
provide specifics, i.e., ink-set, and profiling method. Thank you.

Shilesh

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson 
<jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> Use a third party ink such as Generations or MIS's Archival inksets 
with
> the 1280/70. Better prints in color than the 2000P? Yes. No grain
> pattern at all. MUCH faster printer. With a correct PROFILE for your
> printer, you can produce quite nice black and white and sepia prints
> from this printer. When you have your profile made, tell whoever 
makes
> it to tweak it for maximum black and white quality, as you'll be 
using
> it for this purpose on occasion.
> 
> Jerry
> 
> jennahy2 wrote:
> > 
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > I'm an amatuer photographer with professional aspirations who
> > received an Epson 2000P for Christmas.
> > 
> > After comparing my b&w test prints to my conventional darkroom 
prints
> > and researching the 2000P on the Web, I'm wondering whether I 
should
> > trade it in for the 1270 or 1280.  I'm focusing on b&w 
photography,
> > however I'd also like to print color photos on the same printer so
> > quad ink systems like the piezography system are not a real 
option.
> > 
> > Will I have better b&w results with the 1270 or 1280? Will the
> > resulting prints still be archival quality albeit not as long-
lasting
> > as the 2000P prints?
> > 
> > Thanks in advance for your recommendations.
> > 
> > 
> > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, Bookmarks, 
Polls and other resources as they are often being updated. The page 
is at:
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
> > 
> > Please follow these basic guidelines:
> > - Include your full name with your message.
> > - Include the address of your website, if you have one.
> > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier 
messages to keep them short.
> > - As the topic of a thread changes remember to change the subject 
header.
> > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks 
or "flames."
> > - Complete your Yahoo profile.
> > - Before posting a question, search the message archives and the 
various resources on the homepage.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to 
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Hi Shilesh,

MIS Archival Color inkset, 1260 Printer, Profiles by CD Tobie, Monitor
profiled with Spydercal.  With Epson Archival Matte Paper and its
profile, and with Torchon, (royal riviera) and its profile,  the color
prints are great, and so are the black and white prints. If you need to
do anything at all with the color tones in black and white prints, it is
to tweak the epson sliders maybe 3-4 points in the opposite direction of
your color cast. Once this is done, the black and whites are very nice
indeed.  This may be harder to do on a 6 color printer, but I think it
could be done. I would still have a dedicated black and white quad or
hex system if you do a LOT of black and white printing. 

Jerry

Hextones are just a tiny bit smoother, (especially noticeable in a wide
blurred area, such as a sun or moon with a soft glow.)  On this type of
image, the 6 color printers do a MUCH better job rendering the glow than
the 4 color printers do. The 4 color printers clip the glow way too
soon, and it doesn't look realistic.

janishilesh wrote:

> 
> Jerry,
> 
> I have seen numerous posts from you on well profiled achival colored
> inks that produce good b/w prints (as good as hextones?). Can you
> provide specifics, i.e., ink-set, and profiling method. Thank you.
> 
> Shilesh

Jerry,

Thank you. I have a dedicated system each for b/w (MIS VM) and color 
(MediaSteeet dyes/). I guess I have been wondering if the holy grail 
has been found yet.

Shilesh

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Jerry Olson 
<jerryolson@r...> wrote:
> Hi Shilesh,
> 
> MIS Archival Color inkset, 1260 Printer, Profiles by CD Tobie, 
Monitor
> profiled with Spydercal.  With Epson Archival Matte Paper and its
> profile, and with Torchon, (royal riviera) and its profile,  the 
color
> prints are great, and so are the black and white prints. If you 
need to
> do anything at all with the color tones in black and white prints, 
it is
> to tweak the epson sliders maybe 3-4 points in the opposite 
direction of
> your color cast. Once this is done, the black and whites are very 
nice
> indeed.  This may be harder to do on a 6 color printer, but I think 
it
> could be done. I would still have a dedicated black and white quad 
or
> hex system if you do a LOT of black and white printing. 
> 
> Jerry
> 
> Hextones are just a tiny bit smoother, (especially noticeable in a 
wide
> blurred area, such as a sun or moon with a soft glow.)  On this 
type of
> image, the 6 color printers do a MUCH better job rendering the glow 
than
> the 4 color printers do. The 4 color printers clip the glow way too
> soon, and it doesn't look realistic.
> 
> janishilesh wrote:
> > 
> > Jerry,
> > 
> > I have seen numerous posts from you on well profiled achival 
colored

> > inks that produce good b/w prints (as good as hextones?). Can you
> > provide specifics, i.e., ink-set, and profiling method. Thank you.
> > 
> > Shilesh

??

thanks
kb

NO, I'm talking about PIGMENT inks. Generations, from Media Street,
Archival Color Pigments from MIS.

Jerry

> Jerry,
> 
> Thank you. I have a dedicated system each for b/w (MIS VM) and color
> (MediaSteeet dyes/). I guess I have been wondering if the holy grail
> has been found yet.
> 
> Shilesh

Kevin,

If the 870 is the smaller version of the 1270, the curves should work.

Paul

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Kevin Bjorke [mailto:bjorke@...]
  Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 10:43 PM
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [Digital BW] Can 1270 MIS curves be used on the 870?



  ??

  thanks
  kb



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