Digital BW, The Print

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: JackG 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 7:16 PM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Best method for printing b&w.


  Jerry,

  To be honest, I have been afraid to state what you just said. I did not want
  to start a flame war.

  I totally agree with you, I have been in the photography business for over
  30 years, started in B&W, that was really the only option at that time for
  sellable prints.

  When color was starting to become popular, I begged people to buy some of
  the prints in B&W so they would have something in the future. NO WAY!!!!!
  Every time Kodak made us change to a new film or paper we cried and said we
  liked the present one.......but!!!

  The irony of all this is about 4 years ago I stopped doing my own B&W and
  turned it over to the color lab I have used for over 12 years. Every print
  has gone bad and had to be reprinted, just got a bridal portrait back today
  that was made only 3 years ago. Lab blames Kodak, Kodak blames.......

  I hope everyone one this list lives to be 107 so they can keep replacing
  their prints.

  Oops, I just noticed the paint on my house and car is fading, damn there is
  some fading on the carpet and drapes too, who is going to pay  me for this
  shoddy work???

  I wonder who was responsible for the cost of repainting the Sistine Chapel
  when it faded????
  I always knew that Michelangelo was a shifty character with no regard for
  longevity of his creations. That is why he wanted to be known as a sculptor
  and not a painter. He was on the original list for:

                                        "It lasts forever or it is no damn
  good"

  Members of this list, I am just trying to be a little whimsical, I really
  appreciate that you are proud of your artwork, and that showing a
  guardianship about your art is a superior show of character. I wish it could
  last forever, but alas it will not. I agree, it should last a "reasonable"
  length of time, but art like living things we love seem to always leave us
  before we are ready.
  Any time I have "lost" a living creature that I loved, I have been known to
  cry out for just one more moment...........PLEASE!!!!!!

  As always,

  Jack

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Jerry Olson" <jerryolson@...>
  To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
  Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 6:20 PM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Best method for printing b&w.


  | Michael, just a curious question, do you know of ANY other art media
  | OTHER than inkjet inks that worry people about longevity?
  |
  | I was just in a University gallery, and everything from colored pencil,
  | oil, gauche, watercolors, acrylics,  and inkjet prints  were
  | represented. I bet not ONE of the artists or buyers of the artist's
  | works asked about "How long will these prints last before fading"? I bet
  | artist's don't even consider this question when making art supply
  | purchases.  Can you even IMAGINE  of an oil painter or watercolorist
  | testing 10 different brands of oil or watercolor paint in the sun for 3
  | months to see which faded less? I think its about time we joined all the
  | other artists and forget about it. If a client ever complains, I'd just
  | reprint it. Very little cost, happy client.
  |
  | Jerry
  |
  | >
  | > A very well placed source at Hahnemuhle has provided information that
  the
  | > Epson Dye Black on H. Phot Rag will last 2-4 times longer than the 26
  years
  | > Epson advertises.
  |
  |
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