Re: Air in hoses
2006-02-05 by Siobhan McClory
> There are 18 messages in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. Re: Re: Problem with Epson 4000 > From: Danny Twang <dannyt@...> > 2. Re: Epson 4800 vs. 2400 question > From: "bwbonkers" <PeterDLevis@...> > 3. Re: Do I need cleaning carts to switch inks on R220? > From: "Clayton Jones" <cj@...> > 4. Re: Epson 4800 vs. 2400 question > From: "ginnylady33" <ginnylady33@...> > 5. RE: Re: Problems using Eboni Black only on 1280 for B&W prints > From: "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@verizon.net> > 6. Re: Problems using Eboni Black only on 1280 for B&W prints > From: "ginnylady33" <ginnylady33@...> > 7. Re: I'm need to be a scientific??. > From: Douglas meeuwsen <lipshurt@...> > 8. Ultrachrome K3 vs Piezo neutral K7 > From: "warinstephan" <stephanwarin@...> > 9. Re: Re: Epson 4800 vs. 2400 question > From: Steve Kale <stevekale@...> > 10. RE: Re: Problems using Eboni Black only on 1280 for B&W prints > From: "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...> > 11. Re: Re: I'm need to be a scientific??. > From: Yoelis Diaz <yoelisd2003@yahoo.com> > 12. Re: Do I need cleaning carts to switch inks on R220? > From: "l33ry" <l33ry@...> > 13. Re: Choosing a paper - Epson Ultrasmooth > From: "helen_bach2003" <helenbach@hotmail.com> > 14. Re: Ultrachrome K3 vs Piezo neutral K7 > From: "Clayton Jones" <cj@...> > 15. Re: Epson 4800 vs. 2400 question > From: "bwbonkers" <PeterDLevis@...> > 16. Re: Do I need cleaning carts to switch inks on R220? > From: "Clayton Jones" <cj@...> > 17. Re: Epson 4800 vs. 2400 question > From: "Clayton Jones" <cj@...> > 18. Re: Choosing a paper - Epson Ultrasmooth > From: "ginnylady33" <ginnylady33@...> > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 15:59:33 +0100 > From: Danny Twang <dannyt@...> > Subject: Re: Re: Problem with Epson 4000 > > Thanks Greg, that did the trick! > > danny > > >> Here might be the 4000 reset procedure: >> http://www.inkjetart.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=25&highlight=tank+reset >> Scroll down to the bottom. The reset tool is safer since you can't >> change the wrong thing and mess up your printer. I suggest having a >> backup on hand as the chips do sometimes go bad during the reset. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 15:04:10 -0000 > From: "bwbonkers" <PeterDLevis@...> > Subject: Re: Epson 4800 vs. 2400 question > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "ginnylady33" > <ginnylady33@...> wrote: >> >> Thanks Peter for the useful advice. >> 1-What is this "spectro. QTR ICC profile"? I've no idea. Could you >> elaborate? >> 2-Where is 'Clayton's website'? >> Appreciate your help! >> Ginny >> > 1) I use a GretagMacbeth Eyeone spectrophotometer an expensive device > used for measuring printed targets used in the creation of colour > ICC profiles. Roy Harrington QTR contains a program for making B&W > ICC profiles if you have a measuring device. Its not neccessary just > a refinement. You can still produce great B&W prints without creating > a B&W profile. Have a look at Clayton's site. > > 2)Clayton's web site > http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm > > Peter. > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 15:15:25 -0000 > From: "Clayton Jones" <cj@...> > Subject: Re: Do I need cleaning carts to switch inks on R220? > > Hello Bob, > >> On the Epson R220, I intend to alternate using Epson color (dyebased) >> and MIS R2 black and white pigment inks. >> >> 1. Will this harm the printer? >> 2. Is it OK to reinstall partially used cartridges? >> 3. Do I need to purge with cleaning cartridges when switching ink >> types, or is regular head-cleaning enough? >> 4. Is it better to switch off with pigment color inks rather than dye >> inks? > > Lots of people are using MIS pigment inks in these printers and > reporting few if any clogs. I didn't use cleaning carts with I put > MIS in my R200, but I only did it one time. I'm not sure if switching > back and forth would increase chances of problems > > There is a lot of ink wastage due to cleaning cycles when inks are > changed. Since they are so inexpensive you might consider getting > another printer, one for each ink, and not do any switching. If you > print a lot the ink savings will pay for it, plus save time and hassle. > > Regards, > Clayton > > > Info on black and white digital printing at > http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 15:53:11 -0000 > From: "ginnylady33" <ginnylady33@...> > Subject: Re: Epson 4800 vs. 2400 question > > Wow! Thanks Peter. > What a wealth of information on Clayton's site! It is most informative. > Interesting that he is so pleased with Black Only printing. I assume > that the 2400 can do BO printing. > Thanks again for your help! > Best > Ginny > > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "bwbonkers" > <PeterDLevis@...> wrote: >> >> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "ginnylady33" >> <ginnylady33@> wrote: >>> >>> Thanks Peter for the useful advice. >>> 1-What is this "spectro. QTR ICC profile"? I've no idea. Could you >>> elaborate? >>> 2-Where is 'Clayton's website'? >>> Appreciate your help! >>> Ginny >>> >> 1) I use a GretagMacbeth Eyeone spectrophotometer an expensive device >> used for measuring printed targets used in the creation of colour >> ICC profiles. Roy Harrington QTR contains a program for making B&W >> ICC profiles if you have a measuring device. Its not neccessary just >> a refinement. You can still produce great B&W prints without creating >> a B&W profile. Have a look at Clayton's site. >> >> 2)Clayton's web site >> http://www.cjcom.net/digiprnarts.htm >> >> Peter. >> > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 08:36:26 -0800 > From: "Paul Roark" <paul.roark@...> > Subject: RE: Re: Problems using Eboni Black only on 1280 for B&W prints > > Bob Frost wrote, in part: > >> ... As the 1280/90 was designed to work with DYE inks, it isn't the >> least bit surprising that it won't work properly with pigment inks, as you >> and others have found out... > > If the 1280-90 were the only samples of dye ink printers that we've used > with pigments, I'd have to agree that maybe dye printers ought to be avoided > for pigment ink use. Some have great luck with the 1280-90, but my personal > experience is that it is the least reliable Epson I've used with MIS inks. > (Note that many of the 1280-90 problems relate to bad continuous flow > systems and carts, but I'm excluding that discussion here.) > > The 1280-90 problems, however, may not be representative of all Epson dye > printers. My 3000 and 1160 lasted for years with pigments. The 1160 > finally died, but the 3000 was sold as is probably still pumping pigs with > good reliability. The 1160 was also used by me as a test bed, where I even > printed with water-color pigments. So, it had a tough -- but long -- life. > Many high-volume printers have used the 3000, 7000 and probably other dye > printers for years with pigment inks. > > Now I'm using an R220 -- another printer designed for dyes -- with complete > reliability with MIS pigments. > > So, while I can imagine that Epson might use finer screens or passages in > the heads of printers designed for dyes as opposed to pigments, I suspect > the problem may be more unique to the 1280-90 than an across the board > problem with Epson dye printers. > > Of course the bottom line is that with the third party inks one can simply > achieve better B&W and more lightfast prints for less money even if the > printers don't last as long. The ink price difference is so dramatic that > it's cheaper to throw away a printer occasionally than pay Epson's prices. > > But for those using the 1280-90 with Eboni, be sure to rinse the dyes off > the parking pad. Eboni and dye are not compatible. My experience with an > old 1280 and Eboni was that I had to clean the surface of the head off > routinely until I rinsed the dyes out of the parking pad. Then the 1280 > worked for about a year without trouble. > > Paul > www.PaulRoark.com > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 16:53:10 -0000 > From: "ginnylady33" <ginnylady33@...> > Subject: Re: Problems using Eboni Black only on 1280 for B&W prints > > Dear Paul, > > Thanks for the most informative response. > I have decided to upgrade my B&W printing to a 2400. I've got the > budget to do so. > I wonder if you would compare the B&W print quality on the 2400 with > the stock Epson inks vs. 3rd party. If 3rd party (MIS?) would be a > significant upgrade, I'm wondering what set you recommend? (I had just > read an article by Clayton Jones speaking of the virtues of black only > printing.) > I'd really appreciate your expert input. > Thank you > Ginny > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" > <paul.roark@...> wrote: >> >> Bob Frost wrote, in part: >> >>> ... As the 1280/90 was designed to work with DYE inks, it isn't the >>> least bit surprising that it won't work properly with pigment > inks, as you >>> and others have found out... >> >> If the 1280-90 were the only samples of dye ink printers that we've used >> with pigments, I'd have to agree that maybe dye printers ought to be > avoided >> for pigment ink use. Some have great luck with the 1280-90, but my > personal >> experience is that it is the least reliable Epson I've used with MIS > inks. >> (Note that many of the 1280-90 problems relate to bad continuous flow >> systems and carts, but I'm excluding that discussion here.) >> >> The 1280-90 problems, however, may not be representative of all > Epson dye >> printers. My 3000 and 1160 lasted for years with pigments. The 1160 >> finally died, but the 3000 was sold as is probably still pumping > pigs with >> good reliability. The 1160 was also used by me as a test bed, where > I even >> printed with water-color pigments. So, it had a tough -- but long > -- life. >> Many high-volume printers have used the 3000, 7000 and probably > other dye >> printers for years with pigment inks. >> >> Now I'm using an R220 -- another printer designed for dyes -- with > complete >> reliability with MIS pigments. >> >> So, while I can imagine that Epson might use finer screens or > passages in >> the heads of printers designed for dyes as opposed to pigments, I > suspect >> the problem may be more unique to the 1280-90 than an across the board >> problem with Epson dye printers. >> >> Of course the bottom line is that with the third party inks one can > simply >> achieve better B&W and more lightfast prints for less money even if the >> printers don't last as long. The ink price difference is so > dramatic that >> it's cheaper to throw away a printer occasionally than pay Epson's > prices. >> >> But for those using the 1280-90 with Eboni, be sure to rinse the > dyes off >> the parking pad. Eboni and dye are not compatible. My experience > with an >> old 1280 and Eboni was that I had to clean the surface of the head off >> routinely until I rinsed the dyes out of the parking pad. Then the 1280 >> worked for about a year without trouble. >> >> Paul >> www.PaulRoark.com >> > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:19:13 -0800 > From: Douglas meeuwsen <lipshurt@...> > Subject: Re: I'm need to be a scientific??. > > no need for science with the 2400. It works great on all epson > premium papers. Very easy, with not a lot of test-printing. Just > find a tone setting that you like in the "Advanced Black and > white" (ABW) mode. there are four basic settings for "darkness". Just > find the one that works best for your computer. Good luck...DM > On Feb 3, 2006, at 2:43 PM, Yoelis Diaz wrote: > >> Hello. >> I'm need to be a scientific? if I want to make artistic photo to >> show in gallery. After I read the e-mail from this group I'm >> scary. Ok my question is, If I buy epson 2400, Epson original ink >> and epson best photo paper I can make professional photos. I don't >> go to make commercial or wedding photos. I only go to print >> limeted edition ( only 2) one for sale and one for my self. I don't >> go to use thirt party ink. >> Thank you. >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Brings words and photos together (easily) with >> PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! 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I'm aware of > the lasting issue. > > I'm hesitating between buying an Epson R1800 with Piezo Neutral K7 > and 2400 with Ultrachrome K3, and keep on printing on Hmle Photorag. > Is piezo REALLY better than ultrachrome K3? Hi all, One of my printers that I have only had to use 1-2 times in the past 2 months has air (about 2.50 inches) in one of the lines. While there definitely is suction still there, i.e. It moves forward during a cleaning cycle, there is no nozzle check or it has been intermittent. As it is a relatively new CIS set-up I hate to trash it and start over but is there anyway of dealing with this. (I have done fairly thorough nozzle cleanings so feel sure that the problem is not a clogged head but the result of the air in the line. Does anyone have any ideas?? I would greatly appreciate suggestions. The printer is a relatively new (has been kept has a back-up) 1160. Thanks. SIobhan