Digital BW, The Print

Hello Gang,

At the urging of several colleagues, I'm posting my books' history of digital 
fine-art printing for the first time on my site:
http://www.dpandi.com/history
The only thing you're missing are the pictures (which are half the fun!) and 
the "Computers, Art, and Printmaking" sidebar timeline (from 1946). The 
"Giclée: the True  Story" is already there and linked.

I boast on my home page that this is the "definitive" history. At least, I 
haven't seen one better or more complete. Let me know if you disagree or have 
anything to add. For those of you with my First Edition of the "Mastering 
Digital Printing" book, I added Jon Cone up front in this section in the Second 
Edition. I know there were a couple of other individuals experimenting in the old 
days, but these are the main players as I see them.

Enjoy it.

Harald

Harald Johnson
author, "Mastering Digital Printing, Second Edition"
author, "Digital Printing Start-Up Guide"
DP&I.com ( http://www.dpandi.com )

Any feedback on the Innova OPUS Fine Art Presentation Albums?
A while back there was some interest expressed, and I wondered if anyone had
the chance to try them out?
http://www.shadesofpaper.com/innova.htm
Can more than 20 sheets be included in the album, or is different hardware
needed?

The Red River Custom Book Kits use flex hinges, and include translucent
interleaving sheets.  That sounds good.  Any feedback on those kits?
http://redrivercatalog.com/acc/bookbinding.htm

Best regards,
John Moody



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Hi Harold,

Nice work, and thanks for sharing that history.
 
You know when Adamson was giving a lecture here he stated that Nash
Editions and his shop in DC started at the same time. One of them did
the first print and the other founded the first Iris workshop for
photo artists. I can't remember what the order of that was. I assume
from your text that was an exageration. What I didn't realize was the
important role that the Disney corp had in all this. It makes total
sense that they would have the technology first in the animation
departments of the back lots in Hollywood. 

Very interesting.

John






--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, hjswim2@... wrote:
>
> Hello Gang,
> 
> At the urging of several colleagues, I'm posting my books' history
of digital 
> fine-art printing for the first time on my site:
> http://www.dpandi.com/history
> The only thing you're missing are the pictures (which are half the
fun!) and 
> the "Computers, Art, and Printmaking" sidebar timeline (from 1946). The 
> "Giclée: the True  Story" is already there and linked.
> 
> I boast on my home page that this is the "definitive" history. At
least, I 
> haven't seen one better or more complete. Let me know if you
disagree or have 
> anything to add. For those of you with my First Edition of the
"Mastering 
> Digital Printing" book, I added Jon Cone up front in this section in
the Second 
> Edition. I know there were a couple of other individuals
experimenting in the old 

> days, but these are the main players as I see them.
> 
> Enjoy it.
> 
> Harald
> 
> Harald Johnson
> author, "Mastering Digital Printing, Second Edition"
> author, "Digital Printing Start-Up Guide"
> DP&I.com ( http://www.dpandi.com )
>

I picked up one OPUS album to try. The covers looks nice but it's cardboard.
That may, or may not, be an issue for you depending on the look and feel
you're after. It's priced very well and would make a good entry level
portfolio. The paper worked well and does seem more durable than the
standard Innova papers. I still need to run same print on both Smooth Cotton
BW and the BookArt version to compare, and can let you know if I find
anything is lost. I don't think it would hold 40 pages but would likely take
a few more than the 20 it comes with. Putting only a few in will work but
there is a gap (the posts are a fixed height) so it's a bit clunky .

The Red River Custom Book Kits are much more expensive but from what I can
tell are leather bound. I've never seen one however, and I'd prefer not to
have to deal with flex hinges (I liked the OPUS album approach with the
posts).

Here's what I'm going to try next. . . .

    http://resources.moabpaper.com/printable%20catalog/catalog_7-10-2005.pdf

Look at the CHINLE Digital Book V2 on the second page. It's leather, uses
posts and comes in a version without paper. These are just about to be
released. The 12x12 version means I can run both portrait and landscape
images and have some room for a bit of text (image background, etc.). I'd
like to still use the Innova BookArt paper (Soft Texture for art prints and
Smooth Cotton for B/W & people images), which means I'll have to drill/punch
my own holes. The leather cover, in combination with the post system is what
makes this attractive to me. From what I can tell, the spine will flex
enough to accommodate a smaller page load to start.

Let me know how you make out John.

Terry.

> John Moody wrote:

> Any feedback on the Innova OPUS Fine Art Presentation Albums?
> A while back there was some interest expressed, and I 
> wondered if anyone had the chance to try them out?
> http://www.shadesofpaper.com/innova.htm
> Can more than 20 sheets be included in the album, or is 
> different hardware needed?
> 
> The Red River Custom Book Kits use flex hinges, and include 
> translucent interleaving sheets.  That sounds good.  Any 
> feedback on those kits?
> http://redrivercatalog.com/acc/bookbinding.htm

At 7:55 AM -0500 2/9/06, hjswim2@... [Harald Johnson] wrote:
>[snip]
>
>At the urging of several colleagues, I'm posting my books' history of digital
>fine-art printing for the first time on my site:
>http://www.dpandi.com/history
>The only thing you're missing are the pictures (which are half the fun!) and
>the "Computers, Art, and Printmaking" sidebar timeline (from 1946). The
>"Giclée: the True  Story" is already there and linked.
>
>I boast on my home page that this is the "definitive" history.

Because it's Harald's, I think it would be better 
for him to just let others assess it. And hope 
none of them call it definitive, because I don't 
see how anyone could defend calling so early an 
account definitive.


>At least, I haven't seen one better or more complete.

Me either: in fact, I haven't seen either 
Harald's or any of these others at all.


>Let me know if you disagree or have
>anything to add. For those of you with my First Edition of the "Mastering
>Digital Printing" book, I added Jon Cone up 
>front in this section in the Second
>Edition. I know there were a couple of other 
>individuals experimenting in the old
>days, but these are the main players as I see them.
>
>[snip]

I haven't seen Harald's first edition either. But 
until the dust still being stirred up has 
settled, I don't think we will be able to begin 
to see even "the old days" clearly.
--
Sam

Sam

You might want to check who it is you responded to

Steve

> From: Sam McCandless <samcc@...>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 08:01:10 -0800
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] history of digital fine-art printing
> 
> At 7:55 AM -0500 2/9/06, hjswim2@... [Harald Johnson] wrote:
>> [snip]
>> 
>> At the urging of several colleagues, I'm posting my books' history of digital
>> fine-art printing for the first time on my site:
>> http://www.dpandi.com/history
>> The only thing you're missing are the pictures (which are half the fun!) and
>> the "Computers, Art, and Printmaking" sidebar timeline (from 1946). The
>> "Giclée: the True  Story" is already there and linked.
>> 
>> I boast on my home page that this is the "definitive" history.
> 
> Because it's Harald's, I think it would be better
> for him to just let others assess it. And hope
> none of them call it definitive, because I don't
> see how anyone could defend calling so early an
> account definitive.
> 
> 
>> At least, I haven't seen one better or more complete.
> 
> Me either: in fact, I haven't seen either
> Harald's or any of these others at all.
> 
> 
>> Let me know if you disagree or have
>> anything to add. For those of you with my First Edition of the "Mastering
>> Digital Printing" book, I added Jon Cone up
>> front in this section in the Second
>> Edition. I know there were a couple of other
>> individuals experimenting in the old
>> days, but these are the main players as I see them.
>> 
>> [snip]
> 
> I haven't seen Harald's first edition either. But
> until the dust still being stirred up has
> settled, I don't think we will be able to begin
> to see even "the old days" clearly.
> --
> Sam

John: <Nice work, and thanks for sharing that history. You know when Adamson 
was giving a lecture here he stated that Nash Editions and his shop in DC 
started at the same time. One of them did the first print and the other founded 
the first Iris workshop for photo artists. I can't remember what the order of 
that was. I assume from your text that was an exageration. What I didn't realize 
was the important role that the Disney corp had in all this. It makes total 
sense that they would have the technology first in the animation departments of 
the back lots in Hollywood.>

First, thanks. I know David (Adamson), and we've talked about this. During my 
research (several years ago), I found that memories were not always that 
clear, and I'm not talking only of David. I had to cross-reference all the stories 
with all the key people. However, I found one good source: David Coons, the 
Disney guy, who is an engineer at heart, kept a written diary -- day by day -- 
of what transpired from his POV back then. I used that with all my interviews 
to come up with the final account.

Sam: < Because it's Harald's, I think it would be better for him to just let 
others assess it. And hope none of them call it definitive, because I don't 
see how anyone could defend calling so early an account definitive. >
>At least, I haven't seen one better or more complete.
<Me either: in fact, I haven't seen either Harald's or any of these others at 
all. ... I haven't seen Harald's first edition either. But until the dust 
still being stirred up has settled, I don't think we will be able to begin to see 
even "the old days" clearly.>

I'm not quite sure what your points are here, Sam. My history has been out in 
book form for more than four years (with the newer Jon Cone material added in 
the last year or so). The only thing new is that I've just posted it on my 
website.

What dust needs to be settled? As time goes on, and the past gets murkier and 
people forget (or invent) even more. This is one of the reasons I did this. 
At the time (2002), I could not find a complete history in writing. Since then, 
over the past several years, I have not had one documented refutation of my 
facts. But I'm all ears!

Or maybe I'm missing something in your response. In any case, I do consider 
it the definitive history until someone else writes a more-definitive history. 
["definitive: most nearly complete and accurate; authoritative"]

Harald

Harald Johnson
author, "Mastering Digital Printing, Second Edition"
author, "Digital Printing Start-Up Guide"
DP&I.com ( http://www.dpandi.com )