STERLING PAPERS FOR B&W? (Mfg: BreathingColor)
2006-02-09 by betterblackandwhite
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2006-02-09 by betterblackandwhite
Has anyone had B&W printing experience with the breathingcolor.com line of fine art papers: Sterling Sterling Platinum Sterling Rag Sterling Rag Platinum Sterling Platinum Elegance Velvet Elegance Textured ? I am using an Epson 4000, the Neutral K7 inkset, and QTRip. These papers seem to be very reasonably priced, and the manufacturer makes some sensible arguments about their quality, archival durability, and dmax attributes. Thanks. AK
2006-02-09 by Andre
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "betterblackandwhite" <ak@...> wrote: > > Has anyone had B&W printing experience with the breathingcolor.com > line of fine art papers: > > Sterling > Sterling Platinum > Sterling Rag > Sterling Rag Platinum > Sterling Platinum > Elegance Velvet > Elegance Textured There are so many new paper coming out that some of them have to be rebadged papers. They can't possibly be all different. Cheers, André
2006-02-09 by Greg
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Andre" <am1000@...> wrote: > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, > "betterblackandwhite" <ak@> wrote: > > > > Has anyone had B&W printing experience with the breathingcolor.com > > line of fine art papers: > > > > Sterling > > Sterling Platinum > > Sterling Rag > > Sterling Rag Platinum > > Sterling Platinum > > Elegance Velvet > > Elegance Textured > > There are so many new paper coming out that some of them have to be > rebadged papers. They can't possibly be all different. > Cheers, > André > Sterling and Elegance are different paper stocks. Regular or Platinum are probably different coatings. Not sure what the difference between Sterling and Sterling Rag are, must be the first is a wood pulp paper. I've used the regular thin Sterling, it's a decent paper. Elegance didn't have the kind of dmax that I wanted, so I never went past the testing phase, and I haven't tested all those new papers so no comment.
2006-02-09 by Andre
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, > > "betterblackandwhite" <ak@> wrote: > > > > > > Has anyone had B&W printing experience with the breathingcolor.com > > > line of fine art papers: > > > > > > Sterling > > > Sterling Platinum > > > Sterling Rag > > > Sterling Rag Platinum > > > Sterling Platinum > > > Elegance Velvet > > > Elegance Textured > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Andre" > <am1000@> wrote: > > There are so many new paper coming out that some of them have to be > > rebadged papers. They can't possibly be all different. > > Cheers, > > André > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Greg" <dfaprinting@...> wrote: > Sterling and Elegance are different paper stocks. Regular or Platinum > are probably different coatings. Not sure what the difference between > Sterling and Sterling Rag are, must be the first is a wood pulp > paper. > Hi Greg, Yes, I assumed that both paper would be different paper stock. My question was about whether these two papers are rebadged from any other papers already on the market? Anyone ? Cheers, André
2006-02-10 by Greg
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Andre" <am1000@...> wrote: > > Hi Greg, > Yes, I assumed that both paper would be different paper stock. My > question was about whether these two papers are rebadged from any > other papers already on the market? > > Anyone ? > > Cheers, > André > No, I don't think they are. Pretty sure the paper mill is in China, and they may have moved most of the converting to the US because they were having a lot of problems.
2006-02-10 by Shilesh Jani
AK, I have tried the 210 gsm version of Stering Rag (Dmax = 1.54), and Stering PLATINUM rag (Dmax = 1.64) on a 4000 with MK ink. The Dmax were measured with QTR ink limit calibration mode. The papers have a nice smooth and warm surface, somewhat similar to Epson Ultra Smooth Fine Art. But note the low Dmax on the older regular paper. The newer PLATINUM version Dmax is much better, at least on the trail roll I received, which was labelled "Prototype OBA Free". So nothing to write home about in Dmax, but then what paper is with MK ink? It writes really well, even with a hard, sharp pencil. So seems to have well-adhered coating. Right now you can get the 24" x 66 feet PLATINUM paper for $40, as a "trial" roll, which is a steal compared to USFA at $150 for 24" x 50 feet (Atlex.Com). I can't speak for long-term quality and consistency of the paper. Shilesh --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "betterblackandwhite" <ak@...> wrote:
> > Has anyone had B&W printing experience with the breathingcolor.com > line of fine art papers: > > Sterling > Sterling Platinum > Sterling Rag > Sterling Rag Platinum > Sterling Platinum > Elegance Velvet > Elegance Textured > ? > > I am using an Epson 4000, the Neutral K7 inkset, and QTRip. > > These papers seem to be very reasonably priced, and the manufacturer > makes some sensible arguments about their quality, archival > durability, and dmax attributes. > > Thanks. AK >
2006-02-10 by Bilingual Communications
Thanks for the infor guys, but are the papers any good with B&W specifically K7 inks? Greg wrote:
>--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Andre" ><am1000@...> wrote: > > > > > Hi Greg, > > Yes, I assumed that both paper would be different paper stock. My > > question was about whether these two papers are rebadged from any > > other papers already on the market? > > > > Anyone ? > > > > Cheers, > > Andr\ufffd > > > >No, I don't think they are. 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2006-02-10 by Bilingual Communications
Thank you kindly Shilesh I am using an epson 4000 with K7 inkset... And yes the prices are about 1/3 of what comparable Hahnemuhle papers cost so I am definetely looking at these papers. Do you think the dmax would be better with K7 inks? I will certainly buy trial rolls of the Platinum versions (better dmax) of a few of their papers. Thanks for the info. AK Shilesh Jani wrote:
>AK, > >I have tried the 210 gsm version of Stering Rag (Dmax = 1.54), and >Stering PLATINUM rag (Dmax = 1.64) on a 4000 with MK ink. The Dmax >were measured with QTR ink limit calibration mode. The papers have a >nice smooth and warm surface, somewhat similar to Epson Ultra Smooth >Fine Art. But note the low Dmax on the older regular paper. The newer >PLATINUM version Dmax is much better, at least on the trail roll I >received, which was labelled "Prototype OBA Free". So nothing to >write home about in Dmax, but then what paper is with MK ink? > >It writes really well, even with a hard, sharp pencil. So seems to >have well-adhered coating. > >Right now you can get the 24" x 66 feet PLATINUM paper for $40, as >a "trial" roll, which is a steal compared to USFA at $150 for 24" x >50 feet (Atlex.Com). > >I can't speak for long-term quality and consistency of the paper. > >Shilesh > > > >--- In >DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "betterblackandwhite" ><ak@...> wrote: > > > > Has anyone had B&W printing experience with the breathingcolor.com > > line of fine art papers: > > > > Sterling > > Sterling Platinum > > Sterling Rag > > Sterling Rag Platinum > > Sterling Platinum > > Elegance Velvet > > Elegance Textured > > ? > > > > I am using an Epson 4000, the Neutral K7 inkset, and QTRip. > > > > These papers seem to be very reasonably priced, and the manufacturer > > makes some sensible arguments about their quality, archival > > durability, and dmax attributes. > > > > Thanks. AK > > > > > > > > >Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they >are often being updated. > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > >If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to >unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. > >Please follow these basic guidelines: >- As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them >short. >- Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, >aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. >- Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W >printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the >membership. >- By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, >and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. 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2006-02-10 by Shilesh Jani
AK, I am getting essentially the same Dmax on these two papers with MIS Eboni ink (on a 2400) as I reported for 4000 MK. So it seems reasonable that the 100% carbon K7 black will behave in a similar manner, but I don't know for sure. If you like the warmth of USFA for b/w then Sterling Platinum should serve you well. Good luck. Shilesh --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Bilingual Communications <ak@...> wrote: > > Thank you kindly Shilesh > > I am using an epson 4000 with K7 inkset... And yes the prices are about > 1/3 of what comparable Hahnemuhle papers cost so I am definetely looking > at these papers. Do you think the dmax would be better with K7 inks? > I will certainly buy trial rolls of the Platinum versions (better dmax) > of a few of their papers. Thanks for the info. > > AK > > > > > Shilesh Jani wrote: > > >AK, > > > >I have tried the 210 gsm version of Stering Rag (Dmax = 1.54), and > >Stering PLATINUM rag (Dmax = 1.64) on a 4000 with MK ink. The Dmax > >were measured with QTR ink limit calibration mode. The papers have a > >nice smooth and warm surface, somewhat similar to Epson Ultra Smooth > >Fine Art. But note the low Dmax on the older regular paper. The newer > >PLATINUM version Dmax is much better, at least on the trail roll I > >received, which was labelled "Prototype OBA Free". So nothing to > >write home about in Dmax, but then what paper is with MK ink? > > > >It writes really well, even with a hard, sharp pencil. So seems to > >have well-adhered coating. > > > >Right now you can get the 24" x 66 feet PLATINUM paper for $40, as > >a "trial" roll, which is a steal compared to USFA at $150 for 24" x > >50 feet (Atlex.Com). > > > >I can't speak for long-term quality and consistency of the paper. > > > >Shilesh > > > > > > > >--- In > >DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@...m, "betterblackandwhite" > ><ak@> wrote: > > > > > > Has anyone had B&W printing experience with the breathingcolor.com > > > line of fine art papers: > > > > > > Sterling > > > Sterling Platinum > > > Sterling Rag > > > Sterling Rag Platinum > > > Sterling Platinum > > > Elegance Velvet > > > Elegance Textured > > > ? > > > > > > I am using an Epson 4000, the Neutral K7 inkset, and QTRip. > > > > > > These papers seem to be very reasonably priced, and the manufacturer > > > makes some sensible arguments about their quality, archival > > > durability, and dmax attributes. > > > > > > Thanks. AK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they > >are often being updated. > > > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > > >If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to > >unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. > > > >Please follow these basic guidelines: > >- As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them > >short. > >- Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, > >aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. > >- Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W > >printing. 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