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Crane Silver Rag

2006-02-09 by olaf ringdahl

Having switched from dye (1280) to pigment (R2400), I'm searching for a new paper. From all the recent comments on the Crane Silver Rag, especially those of John Dean, this is by far the leading candidate. Performance seems exactly right for me but I haven't noticed any comments about permanence. Is the paper 100% cotton? Is it acid-free? Maybe buffered? Does it contain optical brighteners? Does anyone out there know the answers to these questions? A lot of us would like to hear them.

 

Olaf Ringdahl


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Re: Crane Silver Rag

2006-02-09 by john dean

I think it is a very good paper and sets the stage for a new way of
looking at glossy inkjet media. I don't think it is perfect, and the
texture could be improved a bit to provide less glare without having
to spray it, but I was trying not to nit pick at a very interesting
direction started here in the movement away from rc surfaces. I think
the glossy level is just fine as far as that goes.   

I would write Crane through their website to ask these questions. As
far as we know it is 100% cotton rag with no oba content. Not sure
about added buffers. Nobody knows about longevity yet. We're waitning
like you are.

John 




--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "olaf ringdahl"
<o.ringdahl@...> wrote:
>
> Having switched from dye (1280) to pigment (R2400), I'm searching
for a new paper. From all the recent comments on the Crane Silver Rag,
especially those of John Dean, this is by far the leading candidate.
Performance seems exactly right for me but I haven't noticed any
comments about permanence. Is the paper 100% cotton? Is it acid-free?
Maybe buffered? Does it contain optical brighteners? Does anyone out
there know the answers to these questions? A lot of us would like to
hear them.
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Re: [Digital BW] Crane Silver Rag

2006-02-09 by jim kitchen

Dear Olaf,

>Does anyone out there know the answers to these questions?

Here is an article you might review:

    <http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/printers/silver-quick.shtml>

I hope this helps...

jim k




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RE: [Digital BW] Crane Silver Rag

2006-02-09 by Paul Roark

> ... Is it acid-free? Maybe buffered? 

Yes, the acid test pen indicates it's well buffered.

> Does it contain optical brighteners?

No, the UV light indicates there are no optical brighteners in it.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

Re: [Digital BW] Crane Silver Rag

2006-02-09 by scott_now_coming

Paul,

That Bromcresol Green pen only measures to about 5.6 on the pH scale.

Would a chemical such as Bromcresol purple be a better indicator 
since it measures to 6.8?

http://chemistry.about.com/library/weekly/aa112201a.htm?
iam=momma_100_SKD&terms=%22bromcresol+green%22

I thought that in regard to "acid-free", we were looking for a pH of 
7.0 +/- .5 .

I'm talking in general terms here, not neccessarily about Silver Rag 
here. I was going to post this question to you and logged on and saw 
this post.

Any thoughts?

Thanks,

Scott
--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
<paul.roark@...> wrote:
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> 
> 
> > ... Is it acid-free? Maybe buffered? 
> 
> Yes, the acid test pen indicates it's well buffered.
> 
> > Does it contain optical brighteners?
> 
> No, the UV light indicates there are no optical brighteners in it.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>

Re: Crane Silver Rag

2006-02-09 by ginnylady33

I recently tested and was VERY impressed with Crane Museo II. It is
2-sided. Acid free. 100% cotton. NO optical brighteners.
Ginny


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "olaf ringdahl"
<o.ringdahl@...> wrote:
>
> Having switched from dye (1280) to pigment (R2400), I'm searching
for a new paper. From all the recent comments on the Crane Silver Rag,
especially those of John Dean, this is by far the leading candidate.
Performance seems exactly right for me but I haven't noticed any
comments about permanence. Is the paper 100% cotton? Is it acid-free?
Maybe buffered? Does it contain optical brighteners? Does anyone out
there know the answers to these questions? A lot of us would like to
hear them.
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Crane Silver Rag

2006-02-10 by olaf ringdahl

Jim, John, Paul and others

 

Thanks for your responses. In one sentence the Luminous Landscape review answered all but one of my questions: "The paper is 100% cotton, acid free, and contains no fluorescent whiteners." And Paul, through his own tests, confirmed the absence of OBA's and the presence of buffering. This is another example of the enormous value of this forum and the generosity of the participants who freely share their knowledge. (We've all heard this appreciation bit before but I thought it wouldn't hurt to repeat it now and then.)

 

With the advent of the R2400, K3 inks, the ABW driver and now this paper, I think I may now be able to put aside all the searching and testing and get to work producing prints that look the way I want them to and that are as permanent as I could want them to be. Thanks again.

 

Olaf Ringdahl


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Re: Crane Silver Rag

2006-02-10 by lulalake_1999

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "olaf ringdahl" 
<o.ringdahl@...> wrote:
>
> Jim, John, Paul and others
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks for your responses. In one sentence the Luminous Landscape 
review answered all but one of my questions: "The paper is 100% 
cotton, acid free, and contains no fluorescent whiteners." And Paul, 
through his own tests, confirmed the absence of OBA's and the 
presence of buffering. This is another example of the enormous value 
of this forum and the generosity of the participants who freely share 
their knowledge. (We've all heard this appreciation bit before but I 
thought it wouldn't hurt to repeat it now and then.)
> 
>  
> 
> With the advent of the R2400, K3 inks, the ABW driver and now this 
paper, I think I may now be able to put aside all the searching and 
testing and get to work producing prints that look the way I want 
them to and that are as permanent as I could want them to be. Thanks 
again.
> 
>  
> 
> Olaf Ringdahl
> 


Hello Olaf,

I tested the paper also, Epson 2200, original pigs. I was very 
impressed HOWEVER, the paper has a definite "look". I wouldn't choose 
it above all others at all times, but it will do very nicely for 
prints that I feel will go with it.

It ain't the magic paper for all purposes, but for what it can do, it 
probably can't be beat.

I will probably always have it around as soon as I can get some 
commercially.

Cheers

Jules

Re: Crane Silver Rag

2006-02-10 by Clayton Jones

Olaf, Jules,

>With the advent of the R2400, K3 inks, the ABW driver and now this 
>paper, I think I may now be able to put aside all the searching and 
>testing and get to work...

Amen!  We are finally getting there.


>I tested the paper also...I was very impressed HOWEVER, the paper 
>has a definite "look". I wouldn't choose it above all others at 
>all times, but it will do very nicely for prints that I feel will 
>go with it.
>It ain't the magic paper for all purposes, but for what it can do, 
>it probably can't be beat.

I tested it also (2400/K3) and came to the same conclusion.  It's a
big step in the right direction, but not quite there yet.  Of course,
as has been said, we all tested a beta version, so maybe the official
version will be better.  I found the glare mixed with the pebbly
surface to be annoying.

But there is hope. The jungle drums are saying that we will be seeing
more of these kinds of papers in the future, that all the major makers
are working on their own versions.  So it's probably just a matter of
time.

But, I have grown to love the non-reflective matte papers so much that
something will have to be awfully good to make me go back to a shiny
paper.  I'm still hoping for my dream paper: matte surface with great
dmax.  Maybe someday we'll have it.

Regards,
Clayton


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RE: [Digital BW] Crane Silver Rag

2006-02-10 by Paul Roark

Scott,

I use a test pen from Abbey Publications that uses chlorophenol red.  Since
they are such a strong advocate of buffering paper, I have simply trusted
their judgment as to the appropriateness of the pen's readings.

I should add, as Carl pointed out off list, that the coating of the paper is
acidic.  This is typical of the many of the best glossy papers -- the paper
inside is buffered, but the coating is acidic.  Epson Premium Glossy paper
has this pattern and is rated by Wilhelm at over 300 years in dark storage
-- right up there with UltraSmooth.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 
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> scott_now_coming
> Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 3:48 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Crane Silver Rag
> 
> Paul,
> 
> That Bromcresol Green pen only measures to about 5.6 on the pH scale.
> 
> Would a chemical such as Bromcresol purple be a better indicator
> since it measures to 6.8?
> 
> http://chemistry.about.com/library/weekly/aa112201a.htm?
> iam=momma_100_SKD&terms=%22bromcresol+green%22
> 
> I thought that in regard to "acid-free", we were looking for a pH of
> 7.0 +/- .5 .
> 
> I'm talking in general terms here, not neccessarily about Silver Rag
> here. I was going to post this question to you and logged on and saw
> this post.
> 
> Any thoughts?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Scott
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
> <paul.roark@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > ... Is it acid-free? Maybe buffered?
> >
> > Yes, the acid test pen indicates it's well buffered.
> >
> > > Does it contain optical brighteners?
> >
> > No, the UV light indicates there are no optical brighteners in it.
> >
> > Paul
> > www.PaulRoark.com
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Crane Silver Rag

2006-02-10 by john dean

> 
> Hello Olaf,
> 
> I tested the paper also, Epson 2200, original pigs. I was very 
> impressed HOWEVER, the paper has a definite "look". I wouldn't choose 
> it above all others at all times, but it will do very nicely for 
> prints that I feel will go with it.
> 
> It ain't the magic paper for all purposes, but for what it can do, it 
> probably can't be beat.
> 
> I will probably always have it around as soon as I can get some 
> commercially.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Jules
>
-----


I completely agree with that though the K3 should be tested on it for
the best black and white results. Like with any texture, the smaller
the print the more obtrusive. This paper is not the answer to
everything, and would never compete with the best matte rag papers in
what they do best. I went into this paper thinking that I was going to
use if for monochrome but now I'm far more interested in using it for
color work in place of Premium Luster. I've also found that when I did
a 16x20 the surface was far less of an issue to me than with 8x10
prints. I want to try it 30x40. For a rag paper the saturation  is
really there no matter what inks you use.

John

Re: [Digital BW] Crane Silver Rag

2006-02-10 by scott_now_coming

Thanks Paul. I was assuming (!) you were using the Light 
Impression "green" pen.

That's interesting about the coating being acidic.

Thanks,

Scott

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
<paul.roark@...> wrote:
>
> Scott,
> 
> I use a test pen from Abbey Publications that uses chlorophenol 
red.  Since
> they are such a strong advocate of buffering paper, I have simply 
trusted
> their judgment as to the appropriateness of the pen's readings.
> 
> I should add, as Carl pointed out off list, that the coating of the 
paper is
> acidic.  This is typical of the many of the best glossy papers -- 
the paper
> inside is buffered, but the coating is acidic.  Epson Premium 
Glossy paper
> has this pattern and is rated by Wilhelm at over 300 years in dark 
storage
> -- right up there with UltraSmooth.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> > scott_now_coming
> > Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 3:48 PM
> > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Crane Silver Rag
> > 
> > Paul,
> > 
> > That Bromcresol Green pen only measures to about 5.6 on the pH 
scale.
> > 
> > Would a chemical such as Bromcresol purple be a better indicator
> > since it measures to 6.8?
> > 
> > http://chemistry.about.com/library/weekly/aa112201a.htm?
> > iam=momma_100_SKD&terms=%22bromcresol+green%22
> > 
> > I thought that in regard to "acid-free", we were looking for a pH 
of
> > 7.0 +/- .5 .
> > 
> > I'm talking in general terms here, not neccessarily about Silver 
Rag
> > here. I was going to post this question to you and logged on and 
saw
> > this post.
> > 
> > Any thoughts?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Scott
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
> > <paul.roark@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > ... Is it acid-free? Maybe buffered?
> > >
> > > Yes, the acid test pen indicates it's well buffered.
> > >
> > > > Does it contain optical brighteners?
> > >
> > > No, the UV light indicates there are no optical brighteners in 
it.
> > >
> > > Paul
> > > www.PaulRoark.com
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other 
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Re: Crane Silver Rag

2006-02-10 by dlruckus

Hmmm!
Might that be because acidic components in the coating are acting as
mordants to the inks and fixing them? It's interesting since it's my
understanding that the Epson inks (and compatibles) are somewhat basic.

Regards
Duane




--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
<paul.roark@...> wrote:

> 
> I should add, as Carl pointed out off list, that the coating of the
paper is
> acidic.  This is typical of the many of the best glossy papers --
the paper
> inside is buffered, but the coating is acidic.  Epson Premium Glossy
paper
> has this pattern and is rated by Wilhelm at over 300 years in dark
storage
> -- right up there with UltraSmooth.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> > scott_now_coming
> > Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 3:48 PM
> > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Digital BW] Crane Silver Rag
> > 
> > Paul,
> > 
> > That Bromcresol Green pen only measures to about 5.6 on the pH scale.
> > 
> > Would a chemical such as Bromcresol purple be a better indicator
> > since it measures to 6.8?
> > 
> > http://chemistry.about.com/library/weekly/aa112201a.htm?
> > iam=momma_100_SKD&terms=%22bromcresol+green%22
> > 
> > I thought that in regard to "acid-free", we were looking for a pH of
> > 7.0 +/- .5 .
> > 
> > I'm talking in general terms here, not neccessarily about Silver Rag
> > here. I was going to post this question to you and logged on and saw
> > this post.
> > 
> > Any thoughts?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Scott
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
> > <paul.roark@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > ... Is it acid-free? Maybe buffered?
> > >
> > > Yes, the acid test pen indicates it's well buffered.
> > >
> > > > Does it contain optical brighteners?
> > >
> > > No, the UV light indicates there are no optical brighteners in it.
> > >
> > > Paul
> > > www.PaulRoark.com
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other
resources as
> > they are often being updated.
> > 
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Re: Crane Silver Rag

2006-02-11 by Tim Atherton

> I tested it also (2400/K3) and came to the same conclusion.  It's a
> big step in the right direction, but not quite there yet.  Of 
course,
> as has been said, we all tested a beta version, so maybe the 
official
> version will be better.  I found the glare mixed with the pebbly
> surface to be annoying.
> 

Crane is obviously tweaking the surface of this prior to release 
(possibly in response to the beta testers?).

I just got a new roll of the beta stuff and the surface is much less 
pebbly (good description) and much smoother - very close to 
the "eggshell" surface of air dried glossy FB (also very similar to 
the old Epson Professional Glossy - that was so nice)

I'd add that running some test prints that I've used on goodness 
knows how many test papers of the years - this paper still give the 
best shadow detail of any I've used, and probably the best dmax too.

I'm looking forward to the finished product (btw I happened to show 
some prints to a friend who is the  Curator of a university art 
Collection - I just happened to be looking at my test prints out in 
the sunlight when he came by - he looks after a fairly large print 
collection of all types of art - ancient Chinese & Japanese through 
to modern stuff - and plenty of photographs, including some very nice 
Blossfeldts among others. His comment was WOW - these are inkjet 
prints? Is this where they are at now?)

tim

Re: Crane Silver Rag

2006-02-12 by Clayton Jones

Hello Tim,

>I just got a new roll of the beta stuff and the surface is much 
>less pebbly (good description) and much smoother - very close to 
>the "eggshell" surface of air dried glossy FB 

That's good news, thanks.  I'll look forward to trying the final stuff.


Regards,
Clayton


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