Digital BW, The Print

I've put these two papers side by side, and can't tell the difference.

Best,
Helen

Helen, how do these papers compare to Silver Rag? Are they indistinguishable from 
traditional darkroom air dried fiber glossy?

Thanks

I have tested the da venci paper the last dayes with a R800 and its I would say looking maby 
even more like the surface of agfa multigrade paper. The tonal range is very similar to Silver 
rag. The bace color of da venci are whiter than silver rag. I personaly like the Silver Rag maily 
becource of its bace color wich has a more nice yellowish bace and Da Venci is more bluish 
whrite.

Both paperes are beutifull and I am going to have both to get to know them better during 
longer time. 

I did not see any mor broncing than on the silver rag but it might be due to the R800 
optimaicer lack? The test print I got made on a 4800 had diffence in the gloss in the most 
white arias so I think it needs a spray of primeir art to get a totaly even surface. Is this the 
cace also with Silver Rag on K3 inks?

Greeatings

Joakim

Just some more opsavations,

I have just made some more test on the Da Venci paper and comparied it to Silver Rag (beta) 
and the Da Venci is clearly just a bit sharper shoving grain in the tones 20-40 RGB qouiet 
more sharply and also more grainy. I do have only the Silver Rag beta but I like it a bit more 
as the defuss soft sharpnes are more "enlarger like". I black and whrit grains arias the Da 
Venci looks amacing sharp and the same print on Silver Rag looks beutifull soft and less hard 
grainy. 

Joakim

3 brands, one paper.  Par for the course. (Innova, Permajet, Chau)

> From: Helen Bach <helenbach@...>
> Reply-To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 03:02:53 -0000
> To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Digital BW] Innova Fibaprint Gloss & Da Vinci Fibre Gloss
> 
> I've put these two papers side by side, and can't tell the difference.
> 
> Best,
> Helen

I've only seen beta samples of Silver Rag - hopefully we'll be getting
some more next week. The Innova paper is smoother and has less of a
fibrous texture than the beta SR. None of them are indistinguishable
from air dried fibre glossy. Close, but not indistinguishable. By and
large, the silver gelatin papers I'm familiar with are smoother than
these inkjet papers, and there is that subtle difference caused by the
image sitting in the gelatin rather than on the surface. There is one
noticeable difference - D-max and density range. The inkjet papers do
have a greater density range than air dried silver gelatin prints, but
it takes good illumination to see detail in density of 2.3 to 2.5. 

Personally, I'm not too bothered about an exact match - I'm more
interested in a glossy or near glossy paper that is an alternative to
the RC look. That's not because I dislike the RC look, I'd just like
some choice.

Best,
Helen

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "bobbysandstrom"
<bobbysandstrom@...> wrote:
>
> Helen, how do these papers compare to Silver Rag? Are they
indistinguishable from 

> traditional darkroom air dried fiber glossy?
> 
> Thanks
>

Helen thanks! I pm'd you on the other site. I guess I could have posed my question 
differently. I was hoping if it were indistinguishable that would mean it had all of the depth 
and resolution along with a gloss finish (minus the lustery or rc thing) that I needed to 
convince me I couldn't do better in the darkroom... finish wise that is. For my taste, it 
either has to be as good or better than a traditional print otherwise completely different. If 
not, I feel like I cheated myself and I end up with a pit in my stomach knowing I could have 
achieved a little more (of what I desire) with a traditional print. Oh well. It's good to have 
so many choices.


Take care.

Bob

Any ICC profiles available for the papers ?  Will  be used on
a 4800/7800/9800 model for some proofs.


Ernst


-- 

                    --
           Ernst Dinkla


www.pigment-print.com
(         unvollendet         )