Digital BW, The Print

Hi Folks,

Has anybody used Pantone pigment inks yet or know anything about their 
longevity, gamut etc?

http://www.pantone.com/inkjetsolutions/colorvantage.asp?idArticle=639

I just heard about them. They have inks for just about every Epson out 
there.

Thanks

Jules

Sure haven't but it doesn't surprise me since they dominated offset
inks for so long. Is Epson suing them yet?

john


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "lulalake_1999"
<lulalake_1999@...> wrote:

>
> Hi Folks,
> 
> Has anybody used Pantone pigment inks yet or know anything about their 
> longevity, gamut etc?
> 
> http://www.pantone.com/inkjetsolutions/colorvantage.asp?idArticle=639
> 
> I just heard about them. They have inks for just about every Epson out 
> there.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Jules
>

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "john dean" 
<deanwork2003@...> wrote:
>
> Sure haven't but it doesn't surprise me since they dominated offset
> inks for so long. Is Epson suing them yet?
> 
> john


I don't know but since they sell aftermarket carts they might be on 
the firing line.

Jules


> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "lulalake_1999"
> <lulalake_1999@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Folks,
> > 
> > Has anybody used Pantone pigment inks yet or know anything about 
their 
> > longevity, gamut etc?
> > 
> > http://www.pantone.com/inkjetsolutions/colorvantage.asp?
idArticle=639
> > 
> > I just heard about them. They have inks for just about every 
Epson out 

> > there.
> > 
> > Thanks
> > 
> > Jules
> >
>

I don't see inks for the 1800 or 2400.
Wonder why they haven't kept up....
Howard


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "lulalake_1999"
<lulalake_1999@...> wrote:

>
> Hi Folks,
> 
> Has anybody used Pantone pigment inks yet or know anything about their 
> longevity, gamut etc?
> 
> http://www.pantone.com/inkjetsolutions/colorvantage.asp?idArticle=639
> 
> I just heard about them. They have inks for just about every Epson out 
> there.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Jules
>

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "how786" 
<how786@...> wrote:
>
>   I don't see inks for the 1800 or 2400.
> Wonder why they haven't kept up....
> Howard
> 

Looks like the 4000 is the latest one. They have them for lots of other 
printer Mfg's also. They have such a respected and depthy name I can't 
help but to be interested. I don't see anything about their inks on 
Wilhelm's site, some stuff about their color management gear but that's 
about it.

Jules

I had good experience with the inks. Got a
test/starter kit 220ml for my 7000 at eBay and got it
to work terrific with my Studioprint RiP. The icc
profiles provided are not very good, so you will have
to make your own. Photoshop was good as well. I was on
my way to sell the printer, but now it is revamped and
it is making money again. I have tested many different
inks, and these where among the better ones.

Anders

--- lulalake_1999 <lulalake_1999@...> wrote:

> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com,
> "how786" 
> <how786@...> wrote:
> >
> >   I don't see inks for the 1800 or 2400.
> > Wonder why they haven't kept up....
> > Howard
> > 
> 
> Looks like the 4000 is the latest one. They have
> them for lots of other 
> printer Mfg's also. They have such a respected and
> depthy name I can't 
> help but to be interested. I don't see anything
> about their inks on 
> Wilhelm's site, some stuff about their color
> management gear but that's 
> about it.
> 
> Jules
> 
> 
> 
> 


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--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Anders Jonsson 
<archivalinkjet@...> wrote:
>
> 
> I had good experience with the inks. Got a
> test/starter kit 220ml for my 7000 at eBay and got it
> to work terrific with my Studioprint RiP. The icc
> profiles provided are not very good, so you will have
> to make your own. Photoshop was good as well. I was on
> my way to sell the printer, but now it is revamped and
> it is making money again. I have tested many different
> inks, and these where among the better ones.
> 
> Anders
> 
Anders thanks for the reply,

I have a 2200 so I'm pretty familiar with funky profiles.
I've actually recently come to terms with the color management on the 
2200 and have been doing OK with it.
This stuff looks interesting, I just wish I had some archival data on 
the inks.

Thanks again

Jules

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Anders Jonsson
<archivalinkjet@...> wrote:

<snip>
> The icc
> profiles provided are not very good, so you will have
> to make your own. 
<snip>

I downloaded the profiles from the Pantone web site for my 2100/2200
and used ChroMix ColorThink to compare their 3D gamuts with those of
profiles I'd had made using PMP, and the Pantone gamuts were
significantly smaller for cmparable papers. BTW I had to register with
their web site to get these profiles.

So I'd take their marketing spiel about gamut with a pinch of salt.

If anybody on this list has made profiles with these inks maybe they
can do some 3D gamut comparisons; maybe the Pantone profiles didn't do
justice to the inks.

BTW I think it's great that Pantone are joining the third party inks
market, so I'm not trying to be negative about them here, just
querying their gamut claims.

Regards,

Alan

Alan, here are some screen shots of Colorthink Graphs
of an icc profile made on iOne equipment, on Pallida
Canvas matte WR. I hope you find this helpful. I have
larger profiles made on my Color GPS that I can send
later.

Anders

--- alanrew42 <Alan-Rew@...> wrote:

> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com,
> Anders Jonsson
> <archivalinkjet@...> wrote:
> 
> <snip>
> > The icc
> > profiles provided are not very good, so you will
> have
> > to make your own. 
> <snip>
> 
> I downloaded the profiles from the Pantone web site
> for my 2100/2200
> and used ChroMix ColorThink to compare their 3D
> gamuts with those of
> profiles I'd had made using PMP, and the Pantone
> gamuts were
> significantly smaller for cmparable papers. BTW I
> had to register with
> their web site to get these profiles.
> 
> So I'd take their marketing spiel about gamut with a
> pinch of salt.
> 
> If anybody on this list has made profiles with these
> inks maybe they
> can do some 3D gamut comparisons; maybe the Pantone
> profiles didn't do
> justice to the inks.
> 
> BTW I think it's great that Pantone are joining the
> third party inks
> market, so I'm not trying to be negative about them
> here, just
> querying their gamut claims.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Alan
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Pantone, as an ink manufacturer, never dominated Offset printing. They provide the 
Pantone matching system which is a series of books and products that standardize color 
matching. It was this system that they are dominant, even today. Their inks were made by 
an established ink company and rebranded with their labels. Sorry.

Dick Capuozzo




--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "john dean" <deanwork2003@...> 
wrote:

>
> Sure haven't but it doesn't surprise me since they dominated offset
> inks for so long. Is Epson suing them yet?
> 
> john
> 
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "lulalake_1999"
> <lulalake_1999@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Folks,
> > 
> > Has anybody used Pantone pigment inks yet or know anything about their 
> > longevity, gamut etc?
> > 
> > http://www.pantone.com/inkjetsolutions/colorvantage.asp?idArticle=639
> > 
> > I just heard about them. They have inks for just about every Epson out 
> > there.
> > 
> > Thanks
> > 
> > Jules
> >
>