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Re: [Digital BW] Re: Epson 7000 air in line

2002-01-11 by Julian Thomas

mark, yuo use 9000 carts on a 7000?

Julian
----- Original Message -----
From: "marktuckerdotcom" <mark@...>
To: <DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 4:05 PM
Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Epson 7000 air in line


> I too tried to install the MIS variables in my 7000. I had air in ALL
> SIX lines! I returned the whole mess for a refund.
>
> To Bob's credit, my sense is that he keeps refining and revising
> the system. At this point, he's on the third or fourth variation.
>
> Mike Kravit is using the system too. Might send him a private
> note for tips. He had better luck than me.
>
> As soon as I went back to 9000 carts, the problem disappeared
> immediately. The cost savings with 9000 carts is so large that
> it's not worth the hassle of a CIS for me.
>
> Just my opinion.
>
> -http://marktucker.com/
>
>
>
> ---------------
>
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Stephen Harrison
> <sh@s...> wrote:
> > >I have an Epson 7000 and was installing the MIS VM Quad
> tone inks
> > >and there seems to be air { it could be a clog as well although
> > >probably is air)  in only one of my jets. I have waited 48 hours,
> > >run many cleaing cycles and printed out many sheets  all to
> no
> > >avail. The block remains. I have read where Fantastic can be
> > >inserted on the pads where the heads rest for the Epson
> 3000. Does
> > >anyone know if this is effective for the Epson 7000 as well?
> >
> >
> > Stephen Harrison
>
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Re: [Digital BW] Re: Epson 7000 air in line

2002-01-12 by Michael Kravit

Stephen,

Ah, the double tube version. Call Bob and ask him to take it back. Have him send you the newest version with the single tube. As I mentioned mine has now been running w/o air infiltration for almost a month.

One other option. Jim Davis has a design using 1/4"id tubing the runs maintenance free.  I bought an extra set of carts for $10 ea. Tubing for $5, GE Silicon for $3, drilled a few holes and will test out his system in a few days. Jim says that the very thin tubing is starving the printer of ink.

I sent my double tube version back as I could not get it to work.

If you want to discuss any of this off line. You can call me in the office M-F at 561-893-0042 or at Home 561-637-8683

Mike
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Stephen Harrison 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 5:20 PM
  Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Epson 7000 air in line


  Mike: Thanks for your input.

  Yes, I am using the MIS VM inkset in the Epson 7000 and recently had 
  the Epson repair tek out here and the unit was realigned and working 
  fine when he left.

    I did the install fill according to your detailed instructions and 
  the same jet remained missing. Then I printed out a purge sheet and 
  after that about 5 other jets now have gaps in the pattern. They were 
  not plugged before I printed the purge sheet. I wonder if it has to 
  do with the tubing diameter. When the first system leaked air, Bob 
  sent me a double tube set with two tubes coming out of each cartridge 
  instead of one. The diameter of the new tubing is even less than the 
  old CIS system I received. I wonder the heads are  unable to suck the 
  ink up into the ink jet heads because of the small tubing. I even 
  tried the old windex trick to no avail and applied it on the parking 
  pads. Something is wrong as I now have for the first time several 
  gaps in my head pattern indication air or much less likely particle 
  blockage.

  Thoughts or ideas ??

  Stephen Harrison


  >Stephen,
  >
  >First, are you using a CIS with your MIS VM inks? I think that is
  >what Mark is talking about. If so, I will tell you how to fix the
  >problem, it took months or experiementing and switching out parts
  >with MIS, but we finally have it working with no problems.
  >
  >If you loaded carts and have air in the line, all the cleaning cycles
  >in the world will not help as the 7000 lines are very long. You need
  >to do an initial fill to purge the air. You do not have to remove the
  >ink, but just do the init fill.
  >
  >Here is how it is done;
  >
  >Epson 7000 - INITIAL CHARGE PROCEDURE
  >1 - Ensure printer is off.
  >2 - Hold 3 buttons down and turn on machine. The three (3) buttons
  >are:
  >a) "Paper feed +" ( Paper feed plus)"
  >b) "Paper feed -" ( Paper feed minus)
  >c) "Cut/Eject" (Enter)
  >
  >3 - The LCD will display "Check : Test
  >
  >4 - Press the "Paper Source" button four (4) times to toggle through
  >the
  >cleaning menu until the LCD displays : "Check : Cleaning".
  >
  >5 - Press the "Enter" Button. The LCD will display "Cleaning :
  >Std.KK0"
  >
  >6 - Press the "Paper Source" Button to toggle though the menu until
  >the LCD
  >displays "Cleaning : Init. Fill"
  >
  >7 - Press the "Enter" Button to beginning the charging routing.
  >("Init.
  >Fill" = Initial Fill)
  >
  >8 - When the charging routing is finished - you will need to turn the
  >printer OFF to exit these menus. Turn it back ON to begin normal
  >operation.
  >
  >Hope this helps, it has always worked for me when I got air in the
  >lines. I have never used fantastic or windex on my 7000. I find the
  >heads are usually cleared by sitting or the cleaning cycles.
  >
  >Let me know if this helps,
  >
  >Mike
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Stephen Harrison <sh@s...>
  >wrote:
  >>  >I have an Epson 7000 and was installing the MIS VM Quad tone inks
  >>  >and there seems to be air { it could be a clog as well although
  >>  >probably is air)  in only one of my jets. I have waited 48 hours,
  >>  >run many cleaing cycles and printed out many sheets  all to no
  >>  >avail. The block remains. I have read where Fantastic can be
  >>  >inserted on the pads where the heads rest for the Epson 3000. Does
  >>  >anyone know if this is effective for the Epson 7000 as well?
  >>
  >>
  >>  Stephen Harrison
  >
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Re: [Digital BW] Re: Epson 7000 air in line: an update

2002-01-13 by Stephen Harrison

A Progress Report on air and the Epson 7000:

>Thanks for all the feedback which as excellent and helpful.  I 
>accordingly levelled my tubing and went through in a step by step 
>the initial charge procedure and  came up with air in not one but 
>all on my cartridges with all ink jets filled with air. All ink 
>lines were empty and devoid of ink. At that point, fearing that the 
>presence of air in the lines might cause any remaining ink to dry 
>and really clog my jets, I unloaded the MIS inks totally and 
>reinstalled my Epson generic dye inks. What solvents Epson has in 
>those inks are great as they loaded first shot with all jets 
>suddenly firing. So I am back to the beginning and will contact Bob 
>at MIS on Monday  for the newer set of CIS . I think the small 
>diameter tubing is a disaster and look forward to the larger tubes. 
>I think the leveling of the lines going to the cartridge is an 
>excellent idea and will do this also. Thanks for all the help as i 
>now breath a sigh of relief knowing my jets are alive and well.

Stephen Harrison
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>
>Ah, the double tube version. Call Bob and ask him to take it back. 
>Have him send you the newest version with the single tube. As I 
>mentioned mine has now been running w/o air infiltration for almost 
>a month.
>
>One other option. Jim Davis has a design using 1/4"id tubing the 
>runs maintenance free.  I bought an extra set of carts for $10 ea. 
>Tubing for $5, GE Silicon for $3, drilled a few holes and will test 
>out his system in a few days. Jim says that the very thin tubing is 
>starving the printer of ink.
>
>I sent my double tube version back as I could not get it to work.
>
>If you want to discuss any of this off line. You can call me in the 
>office M-F at 561-893-0042 or at Home 561-637-8683
>
>Mike
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Stephen Harrison
>   To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 5:20 PM
>   Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Epson 7000 air in line
>
>
>   Mike: Thanks for your input.
>
>   Yes, I am using the MIS VM inkset in the Epson 7000 and recently had
>   the Epson repair tek out here and the unit was realigned and working
>   fine when he left.
>
>     I did the install fill according to your detailed instructions and
>   the same jet remained missing. Then I printed out a purge sheet and
>   after that about 5 other jets now have gaps in the pattern. They were
>   not plugged before I printed the purge sheet. I wonder if it has to
>   do with the tubing diameter. When the first system leaked air, Bob
>   sent me a double tube set with two tubes coming out of each cartridge
>   instead of one. The diameter of the new tubing is even less than the
>   old CIS system I received. I wonder the heads are  unable to suck the
>   ink up into the ink jet heads because of the small tubing. I even
>   tried the old windex trick to no avail and applied it on the parking
>   pads. Something is wrong as I now have for the first time several
>   gaps in my head pattern indication air or much less likely particle
>   blockage.
>
>   Thoughts or ideas ??
>
>   Stephen Harrison
>
>
>   >Stephen,
>   >
>   >First, are you using a CIS with your MIS VM inks? I think that is
>   >what Mark is talking about. If so, I will tell you how to fix the
>   >problem, it took months or experiementing and switching out parts
>   >with MIS, but we finally have it working with no problems.
>   >
>   >If you loaded carts and have air in the line, all the cleaning cycles
>   >in the world will not help as the 7000 lines are very long. You need
>   >to do an initial fill to purge the air. You do not have to remove the
>   >ink, but just do the init fill.
>   >
>   >Here is how it is done;
>   >
>   >Epson 7000 - INITIAL CHARGE PROCEDURE
>   >1 - Ensure printer is off.
>   >2 - Hold 3 buttons down and turn on machine. The three (3) buttons
>   >are:
>   >a) "Paper feed +" ( Paper feed plus)"
>   >b) "Paper feed -" ( Paper feed minus)
>   >c) "Cut/Eject" (Enter)
>   >
>   >3 - The LCD will display "Check : Test
>   >
>   >4 - Press the "Paper Source" button four (4) times to toggle through
>   >the
>   >cleaning menu until the LCD displays : "Check : Cleaning".
>   >
>   >5 - Press the "Enter" Button. The LCD will display "Cleaning :
>   >Std.KK0"
>   >
>   >6 - Press the "Paper Source" Button to toggle though the menu until
>   >the LCD
>   >displays "Cleaning : Init. Fill"
>   >
>   >7 - Press the "Enter" Button to beginning the charging routing.
>   >("Init.
>   >Fill" = Initial Fill)
>   >
>   >8 - When the charging routing is finished - you will need to turn the
>   >printer OFF to exit these menus. Turn it back ON to begin normal
>   >operation.
>   >
>   >Hope this helps, it has always worked for me when I got air in the
>   >lines. I have never used fantastic or windex on my 7000. I find the
>   >heads are usually cleared by sitting or the cleaning cycles.
>   >
>   >Let me know if this helps,
>   >
>   >Mike
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@y..., Stephen Harrison <sh@s...>
>   >wrote:
>   >>  >I have an Epson 7000 and was installing the MIS VM Quad tone inks
>   >>  >and there seems to be air { it could be a clog as well although
>   >>  >probably is air)  in only one of my jets. I have waited 48 hours,
>   >>  >run many cleaing cycles and printed out many sheets  all to no
>   >>  >avail. The block remains. I have read where Fantastic can be
>   >>  >inserted on the pads where the heads rest for the Epson 3000. Does
>   >>  >anyone know if this is effective for the Epson 7000 as well?
>   >>
>   >>
>   >>  Stephen Harrison
>   >
>   >
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