Digital BW, The Print

I have a 1280 with stubborn clog on the light magenta jet.  I'm using UT2 ink and thought 
I'd just go through life without yellow.  I probably don't yellow if I'm just printing neutral or 
carbon prints right?  So, is there a way to reconfigure Paul's curves so that I 
can put the "LM" ink in the yellow position and have the printer know where to find it?  

You're thinking I should just get rid of the clog?  I've tried repeated flushes with MIS nozzle 
fluid to no avail.  Maybe there's a better way.

Maybe there's a better printer.  I've gone through two 1280s now using MIS inks and it 
seems I've used most of my ink on cleaning and related test prints...  I get beautiful prints 
when it all works, but there must be a more MIS-friendly printer out there.

great thanks for any wisdom.  best, jonathan

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "deskofjk"
<jkaplan@...> wrote:
<snip>

> I've gone through two 1280s now using MIS inks and it 
> seems I've used most of my ink on cleaning and related test
prints...  I get beautiful prints 
> when it all works, but there must be a more MIS-friendly printer out
there.

This is worrying - are MIS inks prone to clogging? If so, I'd like to
know, because I'm thinking about putting MIS UT7 inks in my 2100.

Does anybody have other experience with MIS inks clogging in Epson
printers? Is it worse than the OEM inks in this respect? Are the clogs
harder to deal with?

TIA

Alan

I have used UT7 inks in my 2200 and have NEVER had a clog.  It is 
designed for pigment inks and works great with the UT7 inkset.

Lou

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "alanrew42" 
<Alan-Rew@...> wrote:
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "deskofjk"
> <jkaplan@> wrote:
> <snip>
> 
> > I've gone through two 1280s now using MIS inks and it 
> > seems I've used most of my ink on cleaning and related test
> prints...  I get beautiful prints 
> > when it all works, but there must be a more MIS-friendly printer 
out
> there.
> 
> This is worrying - are MIS inks prone to clogging? If so, I'd like 
to
> know, because I'm thinking about putting MIS UT7 inks in my 2100.
> 
> Does anybody have other experience with MIS inks clogging in Epson
> printers? Is it worse than the OEM inks in this respect? Are the 
clogs

> harder to deal with?
> 
> TIA
> 
> Alan
>

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Louis Dina"
<lbdina@...> wrote:
>
> I have used UT7 inks in my 2200 and have NEVER had a clog.  It is 
> designed for pigment inks and works great with the UT7 inkset.
> 
> Lou
>

Thanks for your first-hand experience report for this inkset.

Regards,

Alan

Re-configuring the curves is a problem, because the Red and Green curves
utilize the driver's built-in cross-overs between the light and dark inks.

I'd try to get rid of the clog by filling a cart with pure Windex (with
ammonia).  Don't leave it in the printer too long, as I've heard strong
ammonia can damage the heads.  However, it saved an old 2200 that I'm now
using that was what I thought was hopelessly clogged. 

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 

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> 
> I have a 1280 with stubborn clog on the light magenta jet.  I'm using UT2
> ink and thought
> I'd just go through life without yellow.  I probably don't yellow if I'm
> just printing neutral or
> carbon prints right?  So, is there a way to reconfigure Paul's curves so
> that I
> can put the "LM" ink in the yellow position and have the printer know
> where to find it?
> 
> You're thinking I should just get rid of the clog?  I've tried repeated
> flushes with MIS nozzle
> fluid to no avail.  Maybe there's a better way.
> 
> Maybe there's a better printer.  I've gone through two 1280s now using MIS
> inks and it
> seems I've used most of my ink on cleaning and related test prints...  I
> get beautiful prints
> when it all works, but there must be a more MIS-friendly printer out
> there.
> 
> great thanks for any wisdom.  best, jonathan
> 
> 
> 
> 
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On 3/16/06, alanrew42 <Alan-Rew@...> wrote:

> This is worrying - are MIS inks prone to clogging? If so, I'd like to
> know, because I'm thinking about putting MIS UT7 inks in my 2100.
>
> Does anybody have other experience with MIS inks clogging in Epson
> printers? Is it worse than the OEM inks in this respect?

I think the problem with clogging and the 1280 is folks running
pigment inks through an printer that's not designed for pigments.  I
use MIS inks in a C86 all the time with no clogs....the clogging is
the main reason I stayed away from the 1280 actually.

HTH,

Lee
--
Lee Hiers, AA4GA
"Have Dobro Will Travel"

Alan,

I have been using a 1280 for a little over a year.  I switch one 
printer between two different ink sets, UT2 and MISPRO.  I am using 
MIS's spongeless carts.  All I do is switch carts and run one 
cleaning cycle.  There is no trace of the previous ink after one 
cleaning cycle.  I occasionally will have a clogged jet, but if it 
is not cleared by a second cleaning cycle, I let the printer sit 
overnight.  The clog is gone the next morning, indicating that it 
was air in the print head that caused the problem.  This is not 
uncommon when switching carts, although it does not happen that 
often.

The only rule you must remember is that you can't let the printer 
sit unused too long or you will have clogged jets.  My rule is that 
I print at least once a week and I never turn the printer off.  
There was one period of time where the printer sat for about two 
months with no use.  I had a couple of clogged jets that were more 
stubborn to clear, but they eventually did clear.  For those clogs, 
I used a set of carts filled with non-foaming Windex.  I suppose 
head cleaner from MIS or other suppliers would probably be a better 
cleaning agent, but that is what I had on hand at the time and it 
did the job.

I have a custom profile from Cathy's Profiles for the MISPRO 
inks, Roy Harrington's QTR with Paul Roark's UT2, and Clayton Jones 
BO approach for BO experimenting.  I could not be happier.  The test 
prints I have done using test images off the web totally blow away 
prints I've had done by a professional lab.  The test print images 
are razor sharp and the B&W tonality and color accuracy is 
fantastic.  A graphic artist friend of mine agrees.  I should also 
mention that I have also gone through the head alignment procedure 
in the Epson driver utilities to make sure the individual color jets 
are optimally alligned, which may be the best kept secret.  I don't 
think I've ever seen it mentioned on the forum, but I'd recommend 
doing it if you're not satisfied with your printer's output.

The bottom line is that clogged jets are not a problem, only a 
easily managed occasional nuisance.  It not the printer that limits 
me, but this amateur's scanning and software tool skills!

That's my experience.


Bob


> > I've gone through two 1280s now using MIS inks and it 
> > seems I've used most of my ink on cleaning and related test
> prints...  I get beautiful prints 
> > when it all works, but there must be a more MIS-friendly printer 
out
> there.
> 
> This is worrying - are MIS inks prone to clogging? If so, I'd like 
to
> know, because I'm thinking about putting MIS UT7 inks in my 2100.
> 
> Does anybody have other experience with MIS inks clogging in Epson
> printers? Is it worse than the OEM inks in this respect? Are the 
clogs

> harder to deal with?
> 
> TIA
> 
> Alan
>

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Lee Hiers" 
<lee.hiers@...> wrote:
>
> On 3/16/06, alanrew42 <Alan-Rew@...> wrote:
> 
> > This is worrying - are MIS inks prone to clogging? If so, I'd 
like to
> > know, because I'm thinking about putting MIS UT7 inks in my 2100.
> >
> > Does anybody have other experience with MIS inks clogging in Epson
> > printers? Is it worse than the OEM inks in this respect?
> 
> I think the problem with clogging and the 1280 is folks running
> pigment inks through an printer that's not designed for pigments.  I
> use MIS inks in a C86 all the time with no clogs....the clogging is
> the main reason I stayed away from the 1280 actually.
> 
> HTH,
> 
> Lee
> --
> Lee Hiers, AA4GA
> "Have Dobro Will Travel"
 
Ditto Lee,

I remember when everyone on the Piezo site were tearing their hair 
out about the clogs with the 1280 and Piezo inks. Consequentli I 
shied away from Cone's inks and the 1280.

Nowadays things have gotten better with newer printers and better 
inks. I just ordered a set of K7 for my 2200.

Cheers

Jules