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[Digital BW] OT-Edge Burning Techniques

[Digital BW] OT-Edge Burning Techniques

2002-01-12 by Paul Roark

Mike,

> I would like to know how people are
>accomplishing edge burning techniques in Photoshop?

I find myself using 900 pixel brushes a lot to, among other things, paint
quick masks, slowly building them up with low opacity.  Then I can use
brightness/contrast or curves to see what looks the best.  I've used
gradients, but I like the control to match the subject's contours that the
painted mask allows.

I do a lot of cloning back and forth between duplicate images also. I keep
the high-bit-depth raw scan and the working 8-bit image at the exact same
size so I can go back to the raw scan to do adjustments, then convert to
8-bit and clone in the information I want at whatever contrast or darkness.
As long as the working image has not been cropped, the clone tool is easy to
set at (0,0).  I like to paint in things at low opacity and, often, one
small area at a time to see the effects on a very localized basis.   (I've
been doing that right now, as a matter of fact.  A "final" image on the wall
started to look like it needed some more work.)  One result of my working
habits is that there are seldom two prints that are exactly the same.

Paul
http://www.PaulRoark.com

Re: [Digital BW] OT-Edge Burning Techniques

2002-01-13 by Michael Kravit

Paul,

Very cool technique. I had heard of doing that before but never knew exactly what was being done. Keeping the high bit image and then applying the final manipulations also sounds like the ideal methodolgy to maintain a full tonal range.

I will give it a try and if I need a bit of help I will let you know.

BTW, I now have two 1280's, one color and one MIS VM. The 7000 has FS inks. I am looking forward to the Neutral FS offering.

Thanks
Mike
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Paul Roark 
  To: DigitalB&WPrint 
  Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 5:12 PM
  Subject: [Digital BW] OT-Edge Burning Techniques


  Mike,

  > I would like to know how people are
  >accomplishing edge burning techniques in Photoshop?

  I find myself using 900 pixel brushes a lot to, among other things, paint
  quick masks, slowly building them up with low opacity.  Then I can use
  brightness/contrast or curves to see what looks the best.  I've used
  gradients, but I like the control to match the subject's contours that the
  painted mask allows.

  I do a lot of cloning back and forth between duplicate images also. I keep
  the high-bit-depth raw scan and the working 8-bit image at the exact same
  size so I can go back to the raw scan to do adjustments, then convert to
  8-bit and clone in the information I want at whatever contrast or darkness.
  As long as the working image has not been cropped, the clone tool is easy to
  set at (0,0).  I like to paint in things at low opacity and, often, one
  small area at a time to see the effects on a very localized basis.   (I've
  been doing that right now, as a matter of fact.  A "final" image on the wall
  started to look like it needed some more work.)  One result of my working
  habits is that there are seldom two prints that are exactly the same.

  Paul
  http://www.PaulRoark.com


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your color 1280 (was Re: [Digital BW] OT-Edge Burning Techniques)

2002-01-13 by Sam A. McCandless

>BTW, I now have two 1280's, one color and one MIS VM. The 7000 has 
>FS inks. I am looking forward to the Neutral FS offering.

In the absence of sepia-neutral, I'm leaning toward VM for my BW 1160 
and agonizing about my color 1160, so if it's convenient, Mike, I'd 
like to know your plans for for your color 1280.

Thanks.

Sam

Re: your color 1280 (was Re: [Digital BW] OT-Edge Burning Techniques)

2002-01-13 by Michael Kravit

Sam,

Right now the Color 1280 is using Epson Dyes. Maybe I will switch eventually. I was using the MIS Archival Color inks, but my beautiful young daughter decided to sit on my desk and knock over the inks. Now I am replacing carpeting. ;-(

Mike
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Sam A. McCandless 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 9:37 AM
  Subject: your color 1280 (was Re: [Digital BW] OT-Edge Burning Techniques)


  >BTW, I now have two 1280's, one color and one MIS VM. The 7000 has 
  >FS inks. I am looking forward to the Neutral FS offering.

  In the absence of sepia-neutral, I'm leaning toward VM for my BW 1160 
  and agonizing about my color 1160, so if it's convenient, Mike, I'd 
  like to know your plans for for your color 1280.

  Thanks.

  Sam


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Re: [Digital BW] OT-Edge Burning Techniques

2002-01-14 by Phil Lindsay

Hi:

I use the gradient tool for edge and corner burning. I think the correct
setting is "foreground to transparent " with the forground color set to
black. I set the opacity pretty low- 3 to 8%. Start the cursor at an
edge or corner and drag into the image and release. Try different
lenghts of dragging for controlling the gradation.


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Re: [Digital BW] OT-Edge Burning Techniques

2002-01-14 by Todd Flashner

similarly you can use the circular gradient tool and do a darkening
"vignette" in one fell swoop. I personally would do it as a mask on an
adjustment layer, probably curves or levels. As such you can control the
degree of darkening through both the adjustment you make, and the layers
opacity control.

Todd

BTW, Mark Tucker, using adjustment layers may be for woosies, but you should
feel the rush of screwing one up and being able to correct it! Or trash it!

Do you keep an open bottle of fixer by your side to keep it real?  ;-)
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> Hi:
> 
> I use the gradient tool for edge and corner burning. I think the correct
> setting is "foreground to transparent " with the forground color set to
> black. I set the opacity pretty low- 3 to 8%. Start the cursor at an
> edge or corner and drag into the image and release. Try different
> lenghts of dragging for controlling the gradation.

Re: [Digital BW] OT-Edge Burning Techniques

2002-01-14 by Bruce Kinch

My quick and dirty single edge burn is to create a levels layer, then 
close the dialog without adjustment. Then I use the Gradient tool 
(first box) to draw a line perpendicular to the area to be burned. 
Then reopen the Levels dialog and adjust the mid-tone slider to suit. 
Final trim with opacity.

George De Wulfe showed me his edge-burn scheme up at Cone's. My 
variation is to open a Gradient layer from the Layers palette. Open 
Show Color window and set foreground to 100% Black. Select Foreground 
to Transparent (third box), select Radial, set Scale to 150% 
(usually). Uncheck Align and move to visual center of image, check 
Reverse. Highlight Angle, and use shift plus up/down keys to modify 
distribution in 10 degree steps. Close dialog and switch to Soft 
Light blending mode, adjust Opacity to suit. I suppose I could do the 
whole thing in Soft Light, but I like the enhanced view for placement.
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Re: [Digital BW] OT-Edge Burning Techniques

2002-01-15 by Michael Kravit

Todd,

You'd be surprised what a little fixer will do for a aches and pains. ;-)

Mike
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----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Todd Flashner 
  To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 12:44 AM
  Subject: Re: [Digital BW] OT-Edge Burning Techniques


  similarly you can use the circular gradient tool and do a darkening
  "vignette" in one fell swoop. I personally would do it as a mask on an
  adjustment layer, probably curves or levels. As such you can control the
  degree of darkening through both the adjustment you make, and the layers
  opacity control.

  Todd

  BTW, Mark Tucker, using adjustment layers may be for woosies, but you should
  feel the rush of screwing one up and being able to correct it! Or trash it!

  Do you keep an open bottle of fixer by your side to keep it real?  ;-)


  > Hi:
  > 
  > I use the gradient tool for edge and corner burning. I think the correct
  > setting is "foreground to transparent " with the forground color set to
  > black. I set the opacity pretty low- 3 to 8%. Start the cursor at an
  > edge or corner and drag into the image and release. Try different
  > lenghts of dragging for controlling the gradation.


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