Digital BW, The Print

For the last 2 weeks, I've been unable to solve this problem.  

A couple of years ago, I made a set of sample prints of the same 
image  loading Paul Roark's curves for tones cool to sepia.  The 
prints are identical in all aspects except for the warm/cool color. 
I've been using  a PC, PS7, MIS U7 ink, a 7600 printer and  the Epson 
driver (HPR paper). The tones have always been identical to the first 
set. The only difference between then and now is a new PC. When I 
load curves for carbon or sepia, the prints are washed out, the light 
tones disappear and the transitions are as jagged as they appear on 
the screen (in green and blue). Paul did tell me to set to  Adobe RGB 
1998 to get rid of embedded profiles.  I thought that did it, but I 
still can't get a decent print.  When I use the sliders, the prints 
are good, – but I can't get carbon or sepia.

I'm sure the problem is somewhere in the settings. 

 

Under Edit, I check"color management OFF" – or should it be "custom"? 

 Adobe RGB 1998 – 

CMYK ":US web coated (SWOP)y2". 

Gray gamma:" 2.2" Dot Gain: "20%:

 

Next: Under Color Management

            RGB: Should it be OFF or convert to working RGB ?

            CMYK: Off

             Gray: Off

 

 Conversion Options

Engine:  Adobe (ACE)

Intent: Relative colormetric? Perceptual? Saturation?  Which??

 

Should I check or uncheck Use black point compensation  ?

Check or uncheck: Use dither(8-bit channel image? 

 

Advanced Controls

  Check or uncheck  ?       Desaturate monitor colors by 20%

  Check or uncheck ?       Blend RGB colors using gamma 2.2

 

 

Eternally grateful,

          Arlene

arlenelove3@...

Arlene,

It's been a while since I ran UT7 and PS 7.  (I actually have but never
liked PS 7.)

To the extent possible, follow the settings in
http://home1.gte.net/res09aij/UT7-7600-Readme.htm


Be sure the driver in your new computer is the official Epson one and not
one that shipped with the computer or OS.  I'd probably go to Epson and
download the latest.



> ... I've been unable to solve this problem.
> 
> A couple of years ago, I made a set of sample prints of the same
> image  loading Paul Roark's curves for tones cool to sepia.  The
> prints are identical in all aspects except for the warm/cool color.
> I've been using  a PC, PS7, MIS U7 ink, a 7600 printer and  the Epson
> driver (HPR paper). The tones have always been identical to the first
> set. The only difference between then and now is a new PC. When I
> load curves for carbon or sepia, the prints are washed out, the light
> tones disappear and the transitions are as jagged as they appear on
> the screen (in green and blue). Paul did tell me to set to  Adobe RGB
> 1998 to get rid of embedded profiles.  I thought that did it, but I
> still can't get a decent print.  When I use the sliders, the prints
> are good, - but I can't get carbon or sepia.
> 
> I'm sure the problem is somewhere in the settings.
> 
> 
> 
> Under Edit, I check"color management OFF" - or should it be "custom"?
...


In PS, click on Edit, then Color Settings.  Be sure the RGB Working space is
set to Adobe RGB (1998) and the Gray working space is at Gray Gamma 2.2.  I
believe those are the most important.  Start with the defaults of a common
top setting, then just change the settings above.  

You might in the Print Preview that no profile is being loaded.  On the
latest the color management is at No Color Management.  I think earlier ones
used Same as Source.

The driver settings should be as stated in the Readme file, above.

Good luck.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "lovelipp"
<arlenelove3@...> wrote:
<snip>
> The only difference between then and now is a new PC.

Not exactly true, because you've installed Adobe Photoshop on it and
thereby lost all the settings you made on your old PC, unless of
course you've copied your settings files from the old PC to the new
one. Also, Photoshop has the annoying habit of installing Adobe Gamma
in start-up folder without asking you, potentially interfering with a
third party LUT loader you may have. Just drag Adobe Gamma out of the
Startup folder.

Your Photoshop settings file(s) are worth copying over from the old PC
if you've not already done so. I don't know which version of Windows
you were running, but on my Windows XP system using Photoshop CS the
Photoshop preferences and colour settings files are kept in 
C:\Documents and Settings\<username>\Application
Data\Adobe\Photoshop\8.0\Adobe Photoshop CS Settings

(this line has probably wrapped, so remove line breaks to restore it)
where <username> is your user name in Windows - just browse in Windows
Explorer.

If you're on PS7 instead of CS (8.0) the folder structure may differ,
but you could search your old hard drive using Windows Explorer for
file names of the form *.psp and *.csf. In my case there are files called
Adobe Photoshop CS Prefs.psp
and
Color Settings.csf
in the folder mentioned above.

That's probably worth a try and may save you hours of grief in trying
to remember what you did. If it works, take a backup copy of these
files for future use in case PS trashes them (it can happen).

HTH

Alan

Some further info - I've just fired up my old Win 98SE PC, which has
PS 6.0 installed, and the PS preferences files etc are stored in

C:\WINDOWS\Application Data\Adobe\Photoshop\6.0\Adobe Photoshop 6
Settings\

File names in here follow the same pattern as I mentioned earlier,
i.e. *.psp and *.csf.

Regards,

Alan


--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "alanrew42"
<Alan-Rew@...> wrote:
>
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "lovelipp"
> <arlenelove3@> wrote:
> <snip>
> > The only difference between then and now is a new PC.
> 
> Not exactly true, because you've installed Adobe Photoshop on it and
> thereby lost all the settings you made on your old PC, unless of
> course you've copied your settings files from the old PC to the new
> one. Also, Photoshop has the annoying habit of installing Adobe Gamma
> in start-up folder without asking you, potentially interfering with a
> third party LUT loader you may have. Just drag Adobe Gamma out of the
> Startup folder.
> 
> Your Photoshop settings file(s) are worth copying over from the old PC
> if you've not already done so. I don't know which version of Windows
> you were running, but on my Windows XP system using Photoshop CS the
> Photoshop preferences and colour settings files are kept in 
> C:\Documents and Settings\<username>\Application
> Data\Adobe\Photoshop\8.0\Adobe Photoshop CS Settings
> 
> (this line has probably wrapped, so remove line breaks to restore it)
> where <username> is your user name in Windows - just browse in Windows
> Explorer.
> 
> If you're on PS7 instead of CS (8.0) the folder structure may differ,
> but you could search your old hard drive using Windows Explorer for
> file names of the form *.psp and *.csf. In my case there are files
called

> Adobe Photoshop CS Prefs.psp
> and
> Color Settings.csf
> in the folder mentioned above.
> 
> That's probably worth a try and may save you hours of grief in trying
> to remember what you did. If it works, take a backup copy of these
> files for future use in case PS trashes them (it can happen).
> 
> HTH
> 
> Alan
>