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2006-04-03 by esharamaki
Beginning to see references on the web to this new paper. Fiber based with an N type surface finished designed for use with glossy inks. I can't wait for someone to get some of this stuff so we can check it out.
2006-04-04 by Steve Bye
Check out Luminous Landscape's mini review. http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/printers/h-fap.shtml Steve
-----Original Message----- From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of esharamaki Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 3:21 PM To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Digital BW] Hahnemuhle Fine Art Pearl Beginning to see references on the web to this new paper. Fiber based with an N type surface finished designed for use with glossy inks. I can't wait for someone to get some of this stuff so we can check it out.
2006-04-04 by john dean
It looks like we are going to have 3 usable fiber glossy papers to choose from. I just love healthy competition. May the prices be forever lowered. Have ya'll noticed how Hahnemuhle has cut the prices of its rolls since Innova came along? john --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "esharamaki" <esharamaki@...> wrote:
> > Beginning to see references on the web to this new paper. Fiber based > with an N type surface finished designed for use with glossy inks. I > can't wait for someone to get some of this stuff so we can check it out. >
2006-04-04 by Carl Schofield
The Fuji/Hunt paper is another one that was mentioned here earlier today. I suppose there will be others as well that may be re-branded stuff (eg. Lexjet now has a house brand entry). http://tinyurl.com/k2tdk
On Apr 3, 2006, at 8:45 PM, john dean wrote: > It looks like we are going to have 3 usable fiber glossy papers to > choose from. I just love healthy competition. May the prices be > forever lowered. Have ya'll noticed how Hahnemuhle has cut the prices > of its rolls since Innova came along? > > john > > > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "esharamaki" > <esharamaki@...> wrote: >> >> Beginning to see references on the web to this new paper. Fiber >> based >> with an N type surface finished designed for use with glossy inks. I >> can't wait for someone to get some of this stuff so we can check >> it out. >> >
2006-04-04 by Olivier
> > Beginning to see references on the web to this new paper. Fiber based > with an N type surface finished designed for use with glossy inks. I > can't wait for someone to get some of this stuff so we can check it out. > Ok, I'm ready to sound stupid : "N type" stands for nanoporous ? Olivier
2006-04-04 by Mark Savoia
Not a stupid question, but I bet I can guess your age. Us old timers know what it means. Kodak had photo papers in N surface (matte) G surface (gloss) and E surface (luster). Old Mark On Apr 4, 2006, at 10:01 AM, Olivier wrote: > > > > Beginning to see references on the web to this new paper. Fiber > based > > with an N type surface finished designed for use with glossy > inks. I > > can't wait for someone to get some of this stuff so we can check it > out. > > > > Ok, I'm ready to sound stupid : "N type" stands for nanoporous ? > Olivier > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other > resources as they are often being updated. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you > wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by > visiting this same page. > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages > to keep them short. > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed > from the membership without notice. > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital > B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be > removed from the membership. > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules > and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the > group Owner and Moderators. See �Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines� > in the Files section: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE > PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE > �OWNER� AND �MODERATORS� OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL > NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, > CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, > DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER > INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE �OWNER� AND �MODERATORS� OF DIGITAL > BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF > SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE > THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO > OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR > CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO > GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE > PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > Visit your group "DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2006-04-04 by Stephen Petegorsky
Not to date myself, but the G surface actually had something of a lustre texture to it; F was the smooth glossy... Stephen Petegorsky
2006-04-04 by john dean
Yea, before they were coated Kodak, etc, ran the paper through various texture machines for different surfaces. I assume this is what is going on with the inkjet media also, though I have't heard anyone discuss it. john --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Mark Savoia <mark@...> wrote:
> > Not a stupid question, but I bet I can guess your age. Us old timers > know what it means. Kodak had photo papers in N surface (matte) G > surface (gloss) and E surface (luster). > Old Mark > > On Apr 4, 2006, at 10:01 AM, Olivier wrote: > > > > > > > Beginning to see references on the web to this new paper. Fiber > > based > > > with an N type surface finished designed for use with glossy > > inks. I > > > can't wait for someone to get some of this stuff so we can check it > > out. > > > > > > > Ok, I'm ready to sound stupid : "N type" stands for nanoporous ? > > Olivier > > > > > > > > > > > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other > > resources as they are often being updated. > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint > > > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you > > wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by > > visiting this same page. > > > > Please follow these basic guidelines: > > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages > > to keep them short. > > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or > > flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed > > from the membership without notice. > > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital > > B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be > > removed from the membership. > > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules > > and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the > > group Owner and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" > > in the Files section: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ > > > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE > > PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE > > "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL > > NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, > > CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, > > DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER > > INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL > > BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF > > SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE > > THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO > > OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR > > CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO > > GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE > > PRINT YAHOO GROUP. > > > > > > > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > Visit your group "DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint" on the web. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
2006-04-04 by john dean
Right. Your not that old - G was a flat matte and had a surface with a noticeable weave to it, N was a semi-gloss or semi-matte however you want to look at it, but with much greater tonal range than G, F was pure smooth shiny glossy. In the type C world I would say most photographers prefered the N because it didn't have light reflections when the print was in an portfolio or on the table. But, most of your architectural shooters, a lot of ad shooters, and anyone who wanted the max color and tonal range printed on the F surface. Now all this was slightly different with the black and white papers. With fiber based papers the F surface was air dried not super high gloss and was the prefered choice. Then there was the E surface that had a different texturization what we might now call a lustre surface, a slightly pebbley but smooth. Portrait photographers used that sometimes, especially when hand coloring was used. That's ole time stuff. john --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Stephen Petegorsky <petegorsky@...> wrote:
> > Not to date myself, but the G surface actually had something of a lustre > texture to it; F was the smooth glossy... > > Stephen Petegorsky >
2006-04-05 by Lee Hiers
On 4/4/06, john dean <deanwork2003@...> wrote: > With fiber based papers the F surface was air dried not super high > gloss and was the prefered choice. "F" stood for ferrotype...plates the prints were dried against for super-glossy finish...most folks just air-dried for the "semi-gloss" John's talking about. I think I still have some ferrotype plates...somewhere... -- Lee Hiers, AA4GA "Have Dobro Will Travel"