Digital BW, The Print

The subject has been debated doezn of times. So I'm about to test 
Lascaux fixativ for mat media or dcp mat. Now it seems pretty hard to 
find any Print Shield (solvant version) in Europe : any adress or 
replacment option (apparently aqueous version is not as "performant" on 
glossy media).

Thanks.

Olivier

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Olivier"
<odesmais@...> wrote:
>
> The subject has been debated doezn of times. So I'm about to test 
> Lascaux fixativ for mat media or dcp mat. Now it seems pretty hard to 
> find any Print Shield (solvant version) in Europe : any adress or 
> replacment option (apparently aqueous version is not as "performant" on 
> glossy media).

I think it's just different distributors in different countries.

As far as I can tell, the spray sold by Premier Art as "Print Shield"
in the US is the same one that's sold by Lyson as "Print Guard" in Europe.

But Lascaux is Lascaux, wherever you go ;)

> As far as I can tell, the spray sold by Premier Art as "Print Shield"
> in the US is the same one that's sold by Lyson as "Print Guard" in 
Europe.

I wouldn't like to sound as if I challenge this but do you know this 
for sure ? Not having tested yet any of the two, I'd rather skip the 
trial-error phase specially with varnishes which sound like hell to use 
properly. I intend to eliminate bronzing, and in previous posts Print 
Shield sounded like the one to go for.

Olivier

> > As far as I can tell, the spray sold by Premier Art as "Print Shield"
> > in the US is the same one that's sold by Lyson as "Print Guard" in
> Europe.

Premier Art claims this is not the case, but you'd expect that.  I think
Steve K. found the nozzles on the Lyson product were hard to get a good
coating with.  That is one of the critical issues for glossy paper, and one
thing the U.S. PremierArt Print Shield has that is very good.

In the U.S. the Lyson product has a good nozzle, but it may be a different
product than the European version.  Shipping the solvent based sprays is one
of the practical problems.  So, they may have them produced locally.  In the
U.S. the PremierArt and Lyson products appear to use the same can, labels,
etc.  But, these companies are all going to larger companies for their
products. It could be that both simply use the same U.S. producer.

 
> ... I'd rather skip the
> trial-error phase specially with varnishes which sound like hell to use
> properly.

It's the nozzle and technique.  Once you get it down, a product with a good
nozzle is reliable. (Be sure to have goggles and a respirator if you can't
work in an open garage).


> I intend to eliminate bronzing, and in previous posts Print
> Shield sounded like the one to go for.

Yes.  The Lascaux does a poor job of bronze removal.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
<paul.roark@...> wrote:
>
> > > As far as I can tell, the spray sold by Premier Art as "Print 
Shield"
> > > in the US is the same one that's sold by Lyson as "Print Guard" in
> > Europe.
> 
> Premier Art claims this is not the case, but you'd expect that.  I 
think
> Steve K. found the nozzles on the Lyson product were hard to get a 
good
> coating with.  That is one of the critical issues for glossy paper, 
and one
> thing the U.S. PremierArt Print Shield has that is very good.
> 

This varnish is incredibly difficult to source in Europe compared to 
Lascaux and DCP that take a minute to order. BTW either of the two I 
intend to order in the matte version for USFA and HPR 308 (probably 
Lascaux Fixativ). There's an Eco version of PS but being water-based 
I'm not sure it will really dry. I'm not too keen in buying the 5L 
bulk, I don't want to spend whatever $/£/€ without a test (and I don't 
know how to spray the bulk). I'd rather have prints framed under glass 
but I have to exhibit framed without glass in a couple of weeks plus I 
have the bronzing issue to deal with. How do European people do to 
source the magic Print Shield in can ?

Thanks 

Olivier

Paul,

I used the Lyson Printguard for years before the Premier Art was
available. It worked very well for me. I didn't have any trouble with
the nozzles in the US distributed product.

What really burned me up about Lyson was that they would never have
any credible tests done on ANY of their products including the
Printguard. They lost all my business (and many many others) when they
ignored our requests to do so year after year. 

Printguard could be the exact same chemical composition as Premier Art
but I'll be damn if I know. They certainly haven't helped us find out.
I think somebody recently bought Lyson. Good luck to em.

Lascaux doesn't help much with the new gloss rag papers in my experience.

john




--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
<paul.roark@...> wrote:
>
> > > As far as I can tell, the spray sold by Premier Art as "Print
Shield"
> > > in the US is the same one that's sold by Lyson as "Print Guard" in
> > Europe.
> 
> Premier Art claims this is not the case, but you'd expect that.  I think
> Steve K. found the nozzles on the Lyson product were hard to get a good
> coating with.  That is one of the critical issues for glossy paper,
and one
> thing the U.S. PremierArt Print Shield has that is very good.
> 
> In the U.S. the Lyson product has a good nozzle, but it may be a
different
> product than the European version.  Shipping the solvent based
sprays is one
> of the practical problems.  So, they may have them produced locally.
 In the
> U.S. the PremierArt and Lyson products appear to use the same can,
labels,
> etc.  But, these companies are all going to larger companies for their
> products. It could be that both simply use the same U.S. producer.
> 
>  
> > ... I'd rather skip the
> > trial-error phase specially with varnishes which sound like hell
to use
> > properly.
> 
> It's the nozzle and technique.  Once you get it down, a product with
a good
> nozzle is reliable. (Be sure to have goggles and a respirator if you
can't

> work in an open garage).
> 
> 
> > I intend to eliminate bronzing, and in previous posts Print
> > Shield sounded like the one to go for.
> 
> Yes.  The Lascaux does a poor job of bronze removal.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>