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Toning using neutral and warm inks

Toning using neutral and warm inks

2006-05-14 by Brian Chapman

Hey, 

Paul has page on his site where he describes some of the various
toning options that are available by using a mixture of warm and
neutral inks...

http://home1.gte.net/res0a2zt/V-tone.html

I haven't ordered any of the warm inks yet, but if my goal is to
create something similar to the bottom left image, what ink positions
should be using the warm inks?

Thanks,

Brian 
http://www.brianchapmanphotography.com

Re: Toning using neutral and warm inks

2006-05-15 by Brian Chapman

I realize now that I probably didn't provide enough info in my 
original email...

I'm using the R220 printer and the UT-R2 inksets.  I currently have 
the full neutral set installed in my printer.  I'm interested in 
what positions I should use warm cartridges to match some of the 
examples in the link below.

Thanks, 

Brian
http://www.brianchapmanphotography.com

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Brian Chapman" 
<brianechapman@...> wrote:
>
> Hey, 
> 
> Paul has page on his site where he describes some of the various
> toning options that are available by using a mixture of warm and
> neutral inks...
> 
> http://home1.gte.net/res0a2zt/V-tone.html
> 
> I haven't ordered any of the warm inks yet, but if my goal is to
> create something similar to the bottom left image, what ink 
positions
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> should be using the warm inks?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Brian 
> http://www.brianchapmanphotography.com
>

RE: [Digital BW] Re: Toning using neutral and warm inks

2006-05-15 by Paul Roark

The image at the link below has a Lab b* of about 7.  Pure carbon is just a
bit over 7 on EEM.  So, that would be a full set of R2 warm carts.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Brian
> Chapman
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 12:33 PM
> To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Toning using neutral and warm inks
> 
> I realize now that I probably didn't provide enough info in my
> original email...
> 
> I'm using the R220 printer and the UT-R2 inksets.  I currently have
> the full neutral set installed in my printer.  I'm interested in
> what positions I should use warm cartridges to match some of the
> examples in the link below.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Brian
> http://www.brianchapmanphotography.com
> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Brian Chapman"
> <brianechapman@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hey,
> >
> > Paul has page on his site where he describes some of the various
> > toning options that are available by using a mixture of warm and
> > neutral inks...
> >
> > http://home1.gte.net/res0a2zt/V-tone.html
> >
> > I haven't ordered any of the warm inks yet, but if my goal is to
> > create something similar to the bottom left image, what ink
> positions
> > should be using the warm inks?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Brian
> > http://www.brianchapmanphotography.com
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[Digital BW] Re: Toning using neutral and warm inks

2006-05-15 by Brian Chapman

Thanks Paul!  

So is the image on the bottom right warmer than pure carbon (I 
thought that would be the result of the full warm inkset)?    

Also, it sounds like I could create the same "tone" (bottom left 
image) using the UT-3D inks?  I'm debating about switching (when 
carts are available) based on my other issue and your recommended 
solutions 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/message/7
7460)

Thanks again!

Brian
http://www.brianchapmanphotography.com

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
<paul.roark@...> wrote:
>
> The image at the link below has a Lab b* of about 7.  Pure carbon 
is just a
> bit over 7 on EEM.  So, that would be a full set of R2 warm carts.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Brian
> > Chapman
> > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 12:33 PM
> > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Toning using neutral and warm inks
> > 
> > I realize now that I probably didn't provide enough info in my
> > original email...
> > 
> > I'm using the R220 printer and the UT-R2 inksets.  I currently 
have
> > the full neutral set installed in my printer.  I'm interested in
> > what positions I should use warm cartridges to match some of the
> > examples in the link below.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Brian
> > http://www.brianchapmanphotography.com
> > 
> > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Brian 
Chapman"
> > <brianechapman@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hey,
> > >
> > > Paul has page on his site where he describes some of the 
various
> > > toning options that are available by using a mixture of warm 
and
> > > neutral inks...
> > >
> > > http://home1.gte.net/res0a2zt/V-tone.html
> > >
> > > I haven't ordered any of the warm inks yet, but if my goal is 
to
> > > create something similar to the bottom left image, what ink
> > positions
> > > should be using the warm inks?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Brian
> > > http://www.brianchapmanphotography.com
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other 
resources as
> > they are often being updated.
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
> > 
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flames.
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the
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digital B&W
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and
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> > YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL 
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LOSS OF
> > PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF 
THE
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(ii)
> > UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR 
DATA; (iii)
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PRINT
> > YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL 
BW, THE
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RE: [Digital BW] Re: Toning using neutral and warm inks

2006-05-16 by Paul Roark

> So is the image on the bottom right warmer than pure carbon (I
> thought that would be the result of the full warm inkset)?

On my general variable tone page the bottom right image is the sepia.  It is
warmer than the carbon -- about twice as warm and more toward the red side.

 
> Also, it sounds like I could create the same "tone" (bottom left
> image) using the UT-3D inks?

Yes.  I have not posted carbon profiles, but the 3D inkset can print carbon
just like the previous variable-tone inksets.

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com 
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> 
> --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark"
> <paul.roark@...> wrote:
> >
> > The image at the link below has a Lab b* of about 7.  Pure carbon
> is just a
> > bit over 7 on EEM.  So, that would be a full set of R2 warm carts.
> >
> > Paul
> > www.PaulRoark.com
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Brian
> > > Chapman
> > > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 12:33 PM
> > > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [Digital BW] Re: Toning using neutral and warm inks
> > >
> > > I realize now that I probably didn't provide enough info in my
> > > original email...
> > >
> > > I'm using the R220 printer and the UT-R2 inksets.  I currently
> have
> > > the full neutral set installed in my printer.  I'm interested in
> > > what positions I should use warm cartridges to match some of the
> > > examples in the link below.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Brian
> > > http://www.brianchapmanphotography.com
> > >
> > > --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Brian
> Chapman"
> > > <brianechapman@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hey,
> > > >
> > > > Paul has page on his site where he describes some of the
> various
> > > > toning options that are available by using a mixture of warm
> and
> > > > neutral inks...
> > > >
> > > > http://home1.gte.net/res0a2zt/V-tone.html
> > > >
> > > > I haven't ordered any of the warm inks yet, but if my goal is
> to
> > > > create something similar to the bottom left image, what ink
> > > positions
> > > > should be using the warm inks?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Brian
> > > > http://www.brianchapmanphotography.com
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other
> resources as
> > > they are often being updated.
> > >
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
> > >
> > > If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you
> wish to
> > > unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting
> this same
> > > page.
> > >
> > > Please follow these basic guidelines:
> > > - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier
> messages to keep
> > > them short.
> > > - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or
> flames.
> > > Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from
> the
> > > membership without notice.
> > > - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of
> digital B&W
> > > printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be
> removed from
> > > the membership.
> > > - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules
> and
> > > guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the
> group Owner
> > > and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the
> Files
> > > section:
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/
> > >
> > > BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW,
> THE PRINT
> > > YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER"
> AND
> > > "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE
> LIABLE TO
> > > YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL
> OR
> > > EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR
> LOSS OF
> > > PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF
> THE
> > > "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP
> HAVE BEEN
> > > ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i)
> THE USE
> > > OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP;
> (ii)
> > > UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR
> DATA; (iii)
> > > STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE
> PRINT
> > > YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL
> BW, THE
> > > PRINT YAHOO GROUP.
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as
> they are often being updated.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint
> 
> If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to
> unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same
> page.
> 
> Please follow these basic guidelines:
> - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep
> them short.
> - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames.
> Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the
> membership without notice.
> - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W
> printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from
> the membership.
> - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and
> guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner
> and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files
> section:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/
> 
> BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT
> YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND
> "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO
> YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR
> EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF
> PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE
> "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN
> ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE
> OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii)
> UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii)
> STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT
> YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE
> PRINT YAHOO GROUP.
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 
>

[Digital BW] Re: Toning using neutral and warm inks

2006-05-16 by Brian Chapman

Thanks again Paul!

Brian
http://www.brianchapmanphotography.com

--- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "Paul Roark" 
<paul.roark@...> wrote:
>
> > So is the image on the bottom right warmer than pure carbon (I
> > thought that would be the result of the full warm inkset)?
> 
> On my general variable tone page the bottom right image is the 
sepia.  It is
> warmer than the carbon -- about twice as warm and more toward the 
red side.
> 
>  
> > Also, it sounds like I could create the same "tone" (bottom left
> > image) using the UT-3D inks?
> 
> Yes.  I have not posted carbon profiles, but the 3D inkset can 
print carbon
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> just like the previous variable-tone inksets.
> 
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com 
> 
>

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